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KJ
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Anakin tries to kill himself
I had this idea a while ago and I've now seen it discussed elsewhere so here it is.
During the famous Obi-Wan v Anakin duel, Obi-Wan doesn't win. Anakin tries to take his own life as he realises what is happening to him. He could do this by throwing himself into the lava pit. He is then rescued by Palpatine and that is why he " must obey his master".
I've now read something on a forum which makes this theory more interesting.
If Lucas directs this scene correctly then the audience could be left wondering if Anakin jumped or just fell accidently. We could see Anakin on the edge of the pit and then he goes over. Did he jump because he didn't want to turn to the dark side? or Did he accidently fall in only to be saved by Palpatine?
This would be debated for years by fans just like the " Was Harrison Ford a clone" thing from Blade Runner. This would definately be my Ep3 ending.
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Sep 17th, 2000 07:38 PM |
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Dim
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Yeah, I was thinking about something like that too. I thought that maybe we might see a mirror version of Luke's fall from Cloud City. Maybe something like Obi-Wan trys to talk to Anakin after they duel and kind of pull him back from the dark side. But Anakin, feeling betrayed by OB1, throws himself into the pit (or whatever it is) to get away from OB1 If he were to be saved by Palpatine he would feel he owed him a life debt.
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Sep 17th, 2000 09:05 PM |
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Ratcat
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Anakin commits the ultimate selfless act and ends up becoming Darth Vader... That would have to be the ultimate irony.
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Sep 17th, 2000 09:18 PM |
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theEvilJedi
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No No
I don't think Lucas would have a sucide itempt in a movie more kids go to then adults.
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Anakin Skywalker: (Being tied up) "I've decided to come and rescue you."
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Sep 18th, 2000 04:16 AM |
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Dim
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Re: No No
Well, with my idea I think GL could play it more like he's trying to get away rather than kill himself. I don't think he would not show an attempted suicide though because it I think it would help alot of kids relate to Anakin. I put this in the same catagory as Vader chopping off Lukes hand. It's parental violence but it relates well to the story so Lucas has never really gotten critized about it. I can't imagine how EP3 is going to be dark if something really psychologially tramatic like this doesn't happen to Anakin. Lucas is going to have to show that he's a very self destructive young man...I think this would be a great way to show that.
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Sep 18th, 2000 05:19 AM |
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theEvilJedi
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Re: No No
Hey I'm all for a bloody battle to end Star Wars I just don't think Lucas is.
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Sep 18th, 2000 05:58 AM |
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theEvilJedi
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Sorry if I sounded like a gore freak.Trust me I'm not.
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Anakin Skywalker: (Being tied up) "I've decided to come and rescue you."
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Sep 18th, 2000 06:41 AM |
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theEvilJedi
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There,fixed my signiture.
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Anakin Skywalker: (Being tied up) "I've decided to come and rescue you."
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Sep 18th, 2000 06:42 AM |
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Dim
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Hehehe...Xiz isn't going to like that one bit 
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Sep 18th, 2000 10:28 AM |
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Ratcat
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Back on Topic: I think it would have to be portrayed in a similar way to the Obi Wan Scene in ANH when he salutes with his saber and Vader cuts him down.
As they battle they could be arguing over Anakins use of dark powers, very simlar to ANH, in fact with clever scripting in the battle scene it could be reverse related to the ANH scene to put that in a different light. It would be a great treat for the fans.
Something like.
OB1: "Anakin, your anger and hate will lead you to the dark side."
Ani: "Yes! And that route will makew me more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
But also, imagine that OB1 does talk him round but Anakin thinks that he is already too far gone to be redeemed.
He salutes and takes a step off of the cliff and falls towards the hot lava below.
It could be presented very much like a mix of the Terminator II scene and Alien III. Just a thought or two for a Monday morning.
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Sep 18th, 2000 02:21 PM |
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Dim
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I don't know RC...I kind of picture Anakin more crying and in emotional distress as he leaps into the pit....The audience is going to have to be able to feel his despair. I think the scene needs to relate a surrendering to the dark side rather than having a triumphant feeling like TerminatorII and AlienIII.
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Sep 19th, 2000 02:24 AM |
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Ratcat
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Actually Dim, on reflection I agree though I still like the idea of making the jump. It has to be a careful balance of the suffering, emotional distress and the recognition of having no other option for the greater good.
The T2 and A3 idea sounded cool when I first wrote it down but you're right, it wouldn't work.
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Sep 19th, 2000 02:59 AM |
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KJ
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I think that Luke falling in Cloud City and Obi-Wans death are both similar to what I was talking about so I do think Lucas would use it. Here is how I think the scene should be-
Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda and Palpatine are all on a very volcanic planet. Palpatine and Anakin have lured the two Jedi there as they are the only two left and have to be destroyed.
Obi-Wan and Yoda still think that Anakin can be saved.
There is a feirce battle where Anakin fights Obi-Wan and Yoda fights Palpatine using all of there power. Because they are using the force so much the planet starts to break up. They all know that they are going to die if they stay there much longer so the fighting stops.
Anakin is on the edge of the lava pit with Obi-Wan and Yoda trying to convince him to go with them. Palpatine is trying to keep him on the Dark Side. Anakin is distraught and confused as he doesn't know which way to go. He edges closer to the pit and then falls in.
Yoda and Obi-Wan flee the planet while Palpatine saves Anakin from the pit.
The planet explodes.
The main things about this would be the "Did Anakin jump or Did he fall in" debate which would go on for years. I would also like to see a planet blow up because of the force. It would tie in with when Vader says " the ability to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the force".
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Sep 19th, 2000 03:12 AM |
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Dim
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Yep, I think most people are warming up to the idea of Anakin jumping...I don't see why a planet should explode though.
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Sep 19th, 2000 03:50 AM |
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Ratcat
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Just think of the cool special effects they could .... No, wait, they did that already.
But KJ is right, it would relate nicely to the line from ANH.
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Sep 19th, 2000 03:51 AM |
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KJ
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I just feel that we have so see a more powerful force rather than just seeing Jedi push droids around.
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Sep 19th, 2000 04:04 AM |
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Dim
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Oh, I can see you're point. I think GL would do something else big though. If he blew up a planet it might make EP4 look shabby.
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Sep 19th, 2000 05:33 AM |
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KJ
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I don't think it would be a problem. I would love to see the force destroy a planet.
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Sep 19th, 2000 06:43 PM |
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Dim
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What about something atmospheric instead...maybe a huge storm to catch the jedi by suprise so that the clone forces could attack? The only thing about a force destroying a planet is that if you could do it with the force than why would they build the DeathStar? Lets think of some other big things to destroy instead...
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Sep 19th, 2000 08:04 PM |
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KJ
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If it is Palpatine, Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin on the planet then you have probably the four most powerfull people all using the force at the same time. Put them on an already unstable planet and it wouldn't take long for it to blow up.
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