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koreanknight
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WHO IS THE CHOOSEN ONE?
WHO REALLY IS THE CHOOSEN ONE?
I MEAN WAS IT LUKE OR ANAKIN?
ANAKIN DID KILL THE EMPERPOR BUT LUKE IN A WAY DID TOO BECAUSE HE TURNED VADER TO ANAKIN AND BALANCED THE FORCE , SO WHO IS THE CHOOSEN ONE
I READ THE PROHECY AND IT SAID THE CHOOSEN WILL BE CALLED THE SON SUNS
COULD THIS MEAN THERE ARE 2 PPL?
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Mar 14th, 2001 12:17 PM |
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Raz
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I think its very clear that Anakin/Vader bought balance to the force by destroying the Emperor.
I think the "Son of Suns" refers to the binary stars of Tatooine, where Anakin was presumably born.
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Mar 14th, 2001 08:30 PM |
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Ushgarak
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A. It's definitely Anakin
b. There's no canonical definition of the prophecy.
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Mar 15th, 2001 02:00 AM |
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queeq
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Agree with Ush I do. On both counts. Anakin was probably NOT born on Tatooine, his "being sold to Gardulla the Hutt" story suggests they came from somewhere else.
Personally, Luke would be in any given scenario the best candidate for Chosen One IMHO, but I'm afraid it's going to be Anakin.
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Mar 15th, 2001 03:09 AM |
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DarthBorgie
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Does the fact that anakin might not have been born on tatooine have anything to do with his high midi-chlorian count?
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Mar 15th, 2001 04:58 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Tricky. I;d hazard a guess that simplicity is the key here, and say no. but only tentatively.
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Mar 15th, 2001 05:15 AM |
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JediOasis
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I like the theory that all the Jedi who remain think that Luke and Leia are the Choosen One's, not Anakin, but they turn out to be wrong seeing as how Anakin is the ONE.
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Mar 15th, 2001 06:20 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Yeah, so do I. I think I mentioned it a few times a while back.
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Mar 15th, 2001 06:30 AM |
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Gundark
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Actually (just to be difficult and different  ) I've always thought Luke was the chosen one. Yes, I know Vader turned back to the good side and gave the Emporer his last big thrill, but if you look at all Luke sacrificed and fought for....
1. Never knew his mother ( although Leia remembered some)
2. Raised by an aunt and an uncle whom he didn't seem terribly close to (based on their brief time together in ANH), then finds their smoking skeletons.
3. Biggs (his closest friend) leaves Tatooine, later dies in battle at Yavin.
4. Is with Ben for a brief time, sees him die in front of his eyes.
5. Finds out Vader is his father (cool) 
6. Loses his hand.
7. Fett runs off with Solo.
8. Returns to complete his training with Yoda, Yoda dies in front of his eyes.
9. On Endor, confesses to Leia and realizes he is putting his friends in danger, turns himself over to Vader.
10. Confronts Emporer, finds out DS weapons operational, knows Bothan spies died in vain.
11. Cannot conceal Leia's relationship to him from Vader.
12. Basically beats his father in duel, cuts his hand off.
13. Makes Emporer REAL MAD, tortured by force lightning (don't make me go off on that one again).
14. This is where I give Vader his credit for his redemption and getting rid of his cranky boss.
15. Luke unmasks his father (depressing, really) and watches him die.
Sorry this is so long, but jeesh, Luke has really been through the grinder, man. What he has seen and done and had to live with seems to me only a burden that the chosen one could bear. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but its just IMHO OC. 
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Mar 15th, 2001 05:06 PM |
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JediOasis
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I am with you all the way. I always wished that Luke turned out to be the choosen one but Lucas has already said no. Oh well, we can always hope.
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Mar 15th, 2001 10:39 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Hey, no-one is denying thatLuke is the all-round hero (mind you, I feel the only reaosn he didn't turn was because he was too dumb), we're just saying that he isn't the literal Chosen One. He just enabled the Chosen One to fulfil his mission.
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Mar 16th, 2001 01:36 AM |
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DarthBorgie
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we've yet to really see what anakin will be put through
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Mar 16th, 2001 03:24 AM |
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queeq
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I agree Borgie. But still, Luke being the chosen one makes up a much more dramatic story I think. And I know it won't happen but let me explain the dramatic possibilties of that scenario.
Anakin is considered to be the chosen one, yet he falls to the dark side, kills off many Jedi. The remaining Jedi loose faith in the Chosen One story, Anakin rejects it and so does Palpy. Only OB1 seems to believe the prophecy might come true, but hope seems lost when Palpy rises to full power with Vader at his side.
Then Luke gets born and is rised in mere obscurity. No one believes the prophecy anymore and then he arises as the One who brings balance without anyone even realising. Except maybe for a still hoping OB1 ("that boy is our only hope"). OB1's hope for the Chosen One is the only thing that can remedie his own failure.
Dramatically that is much stronger than what we'll have I think. But this is, of course, IMHO.
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Mar 16th, 2001 04:41 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Mind you, if my "Prophecy is the plan of the Midi-Chlorians" plot guess is even half right, then Anakin being the Chosen One pans out a lot better.
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Mar 16th, 2001 06:01 AM |
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mechmoggy
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I have a twisted look on this "bringing balance to the force" business. It could be argued that Anakin brought this balance because he killed off all the Jedi and left the universe with only himself, Palpy, Yoda and OB1. Thats 2-a-side eveness in my book. Could this be the type of balance that's meant or do they mean the type of balance where the good side wins? Eh eh?
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Mar 16th, 2001 04:31 PM |
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JediOasis
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Lucas means the type of balance where the good wins. I think I've said a few times before but having any evil in the galaxy creats a sort of "unbalanced" system and eventually Anakin fixes all that by getting rid of the Sith.
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Mar 16th, 2001 09:57 PM |
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finti
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Didn`t Lucas state in an interwiew that Anakin is the choosen one?
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Mar 17th, 2001 12:35 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes he did. And MM, the idea of 'literal' balance has been totally trashed already; GL has made it clear that restoring balance equates to defeating the evil of the Sith, and nothing else.
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Mar 17th, 2001 01:44 AM |
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queeq
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Indeed, only goodness=balance. GL said so himself.
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Mar 17th, 2001 03:49 AM |
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Ratcat
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Re: Who is the Choosen One?
Ankin is the choosen one. He has as much tight to the "Son of Suns" title as Luke. We don't know where he was born, but it I think we will find that Luke isn't actually born on Tatooine either.
Also, Anakin sacrafised a lot as well, taking some of the elements of Gundarks list and coparing Luke and Anakin:
1. Never knew his mother ( although Leia remembered some) - Luke
1a.Knew his mother but was seperated from her, may even see her die. - Anakin
2. Raised by an aunt and an uncle whom he didn't seem terribly close to (based on their brief time together in ANH), then finds their smoking skeletons. - Luke
2a.Raised by Strangers (The Jedi) - Anakin
3. Biggs (his closest friend) leaves Tatooine, later dies in battle at Yavin. - Luke
4. Is with Ben for a brief time, sees him die in front of his eyes. - Luke
4a.Betrays his friend??? - Anakin
5. Finds out Vader is his father (cool) - Luke
5a.Never knew he had two children - Anakin
6. Loses his hand. - Luke
6a.Looses half his body - Anakin
7. Fett runs off with Solo. - Luke
8. Returns to complete his training with Yoda, Yoda dies in front of his eyes. - Luke
8a.Betrays his teachers and may well kill most of them. - Anakin
9. On Endor, confesses to Leia and realizes he is putting his friends in danger, turns himself over to Vader. - Luke
9a.On Endor confesses to Luke that he knows it is all wrong but can npot see the GOOD way to defeat the emperor. - Anakin
10. Confronts Emporer, finds out DS weapons operational, knows Bothan spies died in vain. - Luke
10a.Realises that the majority of his life has been in vain and feels he can't be redeemed. - Anakin
11. Cannot conceal Leia's relationship to him from Vader. - Luke
11a.Realises how much he lost. - Anakin
12. Basically beats his father in duel, cuts his hand off. - Luke
12a.Takes his own son to make him see his mistakes, looses a robotic hand. - Anakin
13. Makes Emporer REAL MAD, tortured by force lightning (don't make me go off on that one again). - Luke
14a.Takes force lightening in order to destroy Emporer. - Anakin
14. This is where I give Vader his credit for his redemption and getting rid of his cranky boss.
15. Luke unmasks his father (depressing, really) and watches him die. - Luke
15a.See's his son with his own eyes just ones and then dies. NEVER sees his daughter with his own eyes. - Anakin
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