Because the Jedi are Stupid and stick to there Old Jedi Ways While the Sith have moved on, QuiGon was the only Jedi to crarry out the New ways and not be on a stupid Political Jedi Council, lol
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that's a bit ignorant, though i'm sure you didn't mean for it to sound that way. I don't think Anakin joined the other side because they were fooled by the sith or anything. And not because they wouldn't take action (like in their teachings) or that they would take action (like when Windu threatens to kill Sidious). it was other reasons.
they did waste a lot of time sensing sh!t around and doing video conferences. but you know, sith happens when you have a phantom menace skulking around in the senate.
Sure the DarkSide manifested to a point where it clouded everything that even the top Jedi Master's couldn't sense 1 Sith Master?... I find that hard to believe.. I think there was a flaw with what Lucas did in respect to the Jedi Demise....
Quit dissing the Jedi like that. The ONLY mistake they made, was regarding Anakin. There is no way in hell any of them, not even Yoda, could have forseen what palpy was doing. That is basically his biggest strength. Conceiling his identity and carrying out his plan. Don't fault the Jedi for not seeing through him. As Yoda said several times "the dark side clowds everything"
As far as Anakin goes, that is 100% Obi wans fault for training him poorly. Anyone who spends that much time with the kid should have known exactly what he was thinking. Especially one as weak minded as Anakin. If someone else trained Anakin, the whole storyline wouldn't have happened, because Palps could not have done it without Anakin.
So don't fault the Jedi's for one error in training the one person that could bring them down. It had nothing to do with politics, or the old jedi ways. It was simply Obi wans failure as a master that led to all this.
Obi wan kicks ass, but he did **** up his job, and the Jedi's paid the price for it.
totally agree the dark side clouds everything (Yoda)
I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda...I was wrong (Obi-wan.)
How do you people enjoy these movies if you continually and purpousely look for stuff to pick it apart.
I don't think Obi Wan can be held totally responsible. He probably could have done a few things better, but Anakin made all his choices himself. His failure to listen to Obi Wan, Yoda, Mace and all the other masters was his main problem. He only wanted to listen to someone who agreed with him all the time and made him feel powerful, enter Palpatine. Anakins pride and selfishness are not Jedi traits they are more Sith, thats why Palpatine always had the upper hand.
Anakin didn't think of himself as an average Padawan or Knight he always thought he was better than the rest, seeking more power for his own reasons. Any other Knight would have been honored to be appointed to the council but not Anakin. He was easy prey for someone as clever and manipulative as Palpatine.
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If you were a slave, and rescued and taken away from your mother. Don't you think at some point, you would want your mother to be freed?
Give me a break. If that was Qui gon training Anakin, he would have been like, Dude, it's been a year, lets go get your mother and free her.
Anakins mothers death was really the thing that set him off. Can you believe that in all those years, Obi wan didn't take Anakin on a personal mission to at least make sure his mom was ok?
I agree about all Anakins feelings stemming from being a slave and all, but this just confirms that he was never really Jedi material in the first place. Yoda and the council were doubtful from the start, but they took a chance knowing that Anakin would have a hard time adjusting and letting go of his mother. If it was so easy to free his mother im sure Anakin himself would have gone back and done it. Im not saying that Obi Wan was blameless, but saying its all his fault because he trained Anakin the way he had been taught lets Anakin off the hook a bit too easily dont you think?
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1. I'm not dissing the Jedi... Read the post. I think Lucas had a slight flaw. If anything I'm a bigger Fan of the Jedi than anyone else, being a Martial Artists and a Tae Kwon Do Instructor. I know what it's like when I've let down a student or a student has let me down...
2. I'm trying to make sense of all of it.
3. It is undestood that the things can be clouded by the dark side.
4. Obi-Wan did his best to teach Anakin, but he is really at fault for the Jedi's erradication or does the fault fall onto Quigon, or does it even fall on the council for letting Obi-Wan continue with Anakin's training? Who knows... But this is good conversation.
If you start on the "who's to blame" train of thought it may go all the way back to whoever created Anakin. It was left a bit ambiguous as to where Anakin came from especially after the Opera scene, so instead of blaming Qui Gon for not seeing Anakins faults or Obi Wan for not being more like Qui Gon the blame should fall on Darth Plagueis or Palpatine if indeed Lucas was trying to put forth the idea that one of them created Anakin.
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Jun 6th, 2005 04:37 PM
