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Why didn't Qui Gon just TAKE anakins mother?
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Vanquish
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Why didn't Qui Gon just TAKE anakins mother?

Something just isn't right about that whole "I didn't actually come here to free slaves."

Who cares? It's quite simple to me. Slavery is wrong. Aren't the Jedi's supposed to fight for peace and justice in the galaxy, and uphold what is right? Well, then why the hell didn't he just take Anakin and his mother, by force if necessary off the planet. It's not like the Hutts would have made a fuss over 1 slave. Anakin could have been trained as a jedi, and his mother would live in peace, maybe start a new family.

I'm quite sure Anakin would not have turned to the dark side if his mother didn't die. Qui gon could have just done the right thing in the beginning and made the 5 sequels a mess.

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you see..... stealing is more of a "sith thing", and it's not the "JEDI WAY"


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Vanquish
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It's not stealing when you are "freeing" a slave. It's not like he's stealing Jabba's daughters virginity. He's a Jedi, and Jedi's are supposed to look after those who injustice effects but they can't save themselves.

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lol... guess your right


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All slaves have a transmitter placed inside their body somewhere... any attempt to escape and the blow you up! BOOM!


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Vanquish
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Well it was obviously removed for Anakin to leave when he was freed right? Put a lightsaber on the slave owners ball sack and watch how fast they deactivate it smile

Qui gon used the force to make that die come up to free anakin right? So basically he is interfering already to make sure he gets what he wants. Why can't he just go the extra bit and get anakins mother too.

Makes no sense why he basically cheated anakins freedom, but developed some conscience to protect the slave / master relationship when it came to his mother.

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I'm pretty sure it would be against the Jedi Code to desex unwilling creatures... stick out tongue


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well, aside from the transmittor, what the hell purpose would she serve. aren't the jedi taken away from their families at a young age so as to not have any real attachments?


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Vanquish
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The purpose it would serve is that she wouldn't have been kidnapped, tortured for a month, and then killed. Anakin went crazy when that happened, and it was one of the major things that led to his turn to the darkside.

If Qui gon freed her then, or went back later with Anakin and freed her, even though he would not spend any time with her, he would still know that she is safe, and he did everything he could for her.

Nah, qui gon could have, and should have saved her. I don't see how it is against the code to free a slave.

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But she wasn't kidnapped, tortured and killed because she was a slave... all that happened after Cleigg freed her.


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Vanquish
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Well obviously though if Qui Gon took her away with anakin like he should have, she wouldn't have been there to be kidnapped now would she?

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"I didn't come here to free slaves."

Qui-Gon's attitude in this area is one of the most mature things about TPM. Anyone can fantasise about how great it would be to kill all the slavers and free the slaves. But not only was that not Qui-Gon's job, he also had no legal mandate to do it..

It's not that QGJ doesn't care, he knows he just doesn't have the right. Tatooine is its own planet with its own laws. To aggressively attack the structure of that planet whilst acting as an agent of the Republic is tantamount to forcing the Republic to declare war on the Hutts.

He has absolutely no grounds or right to do any of this at all, and he knows it. So instead, he maturely works inside the system, and frees Anakin that way. Ok, yes, he did rig the die result a bit, but he still works within fair dealing within the system of the planet- which is why he knows he could take it to the Hutts and win, if need be- his final threat to Watto.


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I agree with this. While strong atatchment is not allowed, at the least, Obi-wan and Anakin should have taken a trip to tatooine during one of their vacations( I hear the benefits are excellent for jedi) and just bought her from watto. Its a pretty big plot hole. Keep her some where safe at least.

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Originally posted by Ushgarak
"I didn't come here to free slaves."

Qui-Gon's attitude in this area is one of the most mature things about TPM. Anyone can fantasise about how great it would be to kill all the slavers and free the slaves. But not only was that not Qui-Gon's job, he also had no legal mandate to do it..

It's not that QGJ doesn't care, he knows he just doesn't have the right. Tatooine is its own planet with its own laws. To aggressively attack the structure of that planet whilst acting as an agent of the Republic is tantamount to forcing the Republic to declare war on the Hutts.

He has absolutely no grounds or right to do any of this at all, and he knows it. So instead, he maturely works inside the system, and frees Anakin that way. Ok, yes, he did rig the die result a bit, but he still works within fair dealing within the system of the planet- which is why he knows he could take it to the Hutts and win, if need be- his final threat to Watto.


Yep. That's quite right.

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Vanquish
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The Star Trek Prime derective argument huh, ok... smile

I still think Slavery is generally considered wrong, and Qui gon as a Jedi should have gone above and beyond his primary mandate and freed her along with Anakin. Or at the very least, Obi wan should have gone back with Anakin at a later date and freed / Bought her. Obi should have known that Anakin was feeling torn by this issue, and he could have put it to rest before it became the major issue that it did.

Not to mention again the simple fact that if Qui Gon leaves everything to the Will of the Force, he wouldn't have had to manipulate that die to make sure he gets Anakin now would he? He went away from it partially by doing so, so why not go the extra mile and get them both?

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If Qui-Gonn had lived, he'd have probably gone back as soon as he could, with a big sum of money and legitamately bought and freed her.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Vanquish
Something just isn't right about that whole "I didn't actually come here to free slaves."

Who cares? It's quite simple to me. Slavery is wrong. Aren't the Jedi's supposed to fight for peace and justice in the galaxy, and uphold what is right? Well, then why the hell didn't he just take Anakin and his mother, by force if necessary off the planet. It's not like the Hutts would have made a fuss over 1 slave. Anakin could have been trained as a jedi, and his mother would live in peace, maybe start a new family.

I'm quite sure Anakin would not have turned to the dark side if his mother didn't die. Qui gon could have just done the right thing in the beginning and made the 5 sequels a mess.


Because of her implant thingy; if they tried to smuggle her off too, she would've been blown into several thousand smoking pieces.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by exanda kane
Because it's a movie


u know that u could say that to just about anything anyone says about a film. therefore if that's all your gonna say what 's the point in posting.

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quote: (post)
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Because it's a movie


hahaha!! true, true....

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