Saddeningly i found out today that matrix is a huge ripp off of the movie "Robot Holocaust". The main person in it is even named neo. Check out the description on the back cover of the movie "Against the deimated ruins of New York City, explore the desolate future facing mankind after the horrifying ROBOT HOLOCAUST. Powerful robots have seized the Earth, poisoning the air and reducing human beings to a race of slaves imprisoned underground. Against hideous giant worms, flesh eating mutants and robot warriors, the nomad Neo and his robot Klyton face the unimaginable evil power of The Dark One in a spectacular battle beyond description to reclaim the earth and rescue the human race from the ROBOT HOLOCAUST." I hate to post this, but after the huge dissapointment that was revolutions i have to because the wachouski bros are a sham.
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wow! did u actually watch the movie to see if this is true? or r u jus another person who decided to blame their personal beliefs about the matrix on something else? i think the latter.
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btw, there were no giant worms, mutants or robot warriors (sentinels yes, warriors no) in the matrix. humans weren't enslaved underground, thats where they were free.did neo have a robot? no. there is no machine evil (the dark one) only Smith within the matrix. also, the sky wasnt poisoned, it was blacked out. also, the robots didnt take over man, man began a war w/the robots. also, the name neo is symbolic in the matrix, not necessarily generic. (neo=one, also theres the whole Neodaumas [sp?]) thing about philosophy). maybe if u came to this forum and read a lot more, u would understand.
im not flaming here, i jus honestly think u dont know wut ur talkin about and if ur basing an idea w/o proof other than a box description, i dont even consider u.
so i guess the only similarity thats really there is a nomad named NEO playing w/a robot...
I've searched all over the net for movie reviews of "robot holocaust" and the latter said:
This is a lame 1987 sword-and-sorcery movie concealed as a lame post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie. The big difference is that while cheap sword-and-sorcery movies can just use nearby brush for its sets, cheap post-apocalyptic sci-fi movies can film on slag heaps, quarries, or most of New Jersey.
As for the pointless title, don't get your hopes up. We don't ever get to see the robot holocaust. The robots in this movie seem to be doing quite fine, thank you, and none are being crammed into unleaded gas chambers or having their gold microchips pulled out with pliers. Apparently there was a "robot rebellion" that destroyed civilization back in '33. I guess they mean 2033, but it’s never expounded on, and last time I looked a "rebellion" isn't the same as a "holocaust". But my point is, if you put the word "holocaust" in your title I want to see some holocausting! So few movies explore the various types of holocausts, save for "Cannibal Holocaust". The holocaust possibilities are endless: Blender Holocaust, Rodeo Clown Holocaust, Census Taker Holocaust, XFL Holocaust, heck, even Holocaust Holocaust. What's the deal, Hollywood? Play the Holocaust card!
Anyway, this non-holocaust-featuring movie concerns the puny citizens of New Terra, who are forced to slave in the energy mines while they fight each other and wait for a brave leader to lead them in rebellion. Against who? Good question. At the far away and mysterious Power Station lives the evil deep voice "The Dark One", who, with his sidekicks Torque (Rick Gianasi, who went on to be "Sgt. Kabukiman" for Troma!) and Valeria (Angelika Jager, who shows her boobies in the uncensored version), controls the air supply of the city. Torque is a weird-looking shell-fish headed robot, and Valeria is hot but weirdly accented women who says things like "You und yur dau-a-ter are doomed" and "d’you understand what I'm saying?". Its kind of a Dr. Ruth/Elmer Fudd/Michael J. Pollard/Eva Gabor/Barbara Walters-combination kind of voice.
To free the people some heroes set out on a mighty quest. Our hero is the brave, 1980s-coiffed warrior Neo (Norris Culf, who sucks) and his really lame “free-bot” sidekick Kylon (Joel von Ornsteiner, who sucks), who is a clunky pickpocket/C-3PO rip off. Joining them is a cute gal named Deeja (Nadine Hart) whose scientist father has been kidnapped by The Dark One, and two anonymous extras who serve the same purpose as the red shirt-wearing guys on "Star Trek". Together they face lots of unimaginative challenges, like a tribe of man-hating Amazon Women. Why are there Amazon Women in every sword-and-sorcery movie? Does it fulfill some weird fetish for the D&D geeks that write these things? Anyhow, even though the Amazon Queen hates all the characters she agrees to lead them to the Power Station after the totally personality-less Neo saves her life, and she brings along her mute, diaper-clad boy-toy Kai. Now our plucky team is complete, and off they go!
Other perils and pitfalls facing our brave crew are monstrous hand puppets, mutant scavengers (one gets decapitated and his head flies in the air), a stomach-bursting Alien (hmmm...), and a couple of easily-defeated "guard-bots". There are lots of long walking scenes through boiler rooms and dull bickering among the warriors.
In one scene Valeria shows the scientist dad something so incredibly horrible it's off screen and we only hear its heavy breathing, and dad has no reaction whatsoever. Later our gang fights a giant spider ("The Beast of the Web"), but we only see one or two of its legs appearing from the side of the screen. In another classic scene Kylon has to dismantle some electrical gate or something, and he gets shocked and runs around in circles like a moron screaming "Malfunction report! I am but a Free-Bot! Report malfunction! Free-Bot!" I'm sure the screenwriter thought that this would be a heart-renching moment as a beloved character's life is threatened, but since the robot was nothing but a whiny idiot the whole movie it's very hilarious. Gratifying, even.
At the conclusion (spoilers) the Amazon jumps in front of a laser to save Neo and he has no reaction. Neo’s lack of screen presence is amazing. Valeria is revealed to be a robot (which has no impact on the plot) and the protagonists were too late to save scientist dad. He's been turned into a giant avacado with his head popping out the top. Again, supposed to be touching, is only hilarious.
This brain-dead feature features the same synthesizer music as "Laserblast" and lots of costumes made of feathers, bathmats, and carpet samples. The special effects are limited to two shots of animated blue electricity surrounding some characters. The director went on to make "Mutant Hunt"! Aside from being the first recent movie to be shown on MST3K there's nothing notable about this stench-biscuit. Its only function is to make the "Deathstalker" movies look like beloved classics by comparison.
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Also: you can believe that if there WERE a shred of similarity (real or imagined) in the stories (beyond the generic "machines take over the world" theme), the writers of "Robot Holocaust" would have been very quick to sue the pants off of everyone connected to The Matrix in an attempt to extract whatever $$$ they could get.
Mona Lisa Overdrive is a book written by William Gibson. Gibson has written another book, Neuromancer. One of the first Cyberpunk novels, featuring
"Zion"
"The Matrix"
"The Oracle"
"the construct"
"Smith"
EMP weapons
Only 1 survivor of an attack, sabotaged by an EMP
a factory of babies, grown in tubes
"Reinhold Scientific A.G." (connection to Neo's boss, Mr. Rhineheart?)
A villian with a French accent
connection between brains and computers via electrodes
an enemy who was "an unthinkably powerful artificial intelligence"
Words like "The sky was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."
Just think of the green and blue hue in the Matrix / in Zion
Sunglasses
Trenchcoats
Black clothes
however the matrix shows its influences, often with references. in this case the music to the freeway chase is called "Mona Lisa Overdrive"
from dragonpisces272's post i dont think this film is a major influence.
This has to be one of the most hilarious threads ever. Seriously!
Are you not aware that the Matrix is everywhere? It is all around us. Even in this very forum. It is there when you watch TV, or movies, or when you read books.
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Well, we don't really know if the W bros have seen this movie or not. There are going to be differences but the elements appear to be present in both films. I haven't seen "Robot Holocaust" so I can't really call The Matrix a rip-off yet (if there is such a thing as a rip off). I guess it wouldn't hurt to watch Robot Holocaust and try to enjoy it (cuz now it seems some folks will have a notepad and pencil ready) and maybe this movie could be a hidden cult classic that no one notice before.
now, all your arguments arnt realy arguments at all, you see, you just dont wanna think that this movie is a sham. I know how you might feel, there is even a thread where people like you worshop the film, and to have someone say its a sham, is going against ur very grain. But i hate to tell you, it is a sham. why do you think the second and third movie realy had no plot, just some silly ideas that ended up nowhere. I mean common, who was anyone in that movie, they explained nothing, because they ran outa materal to rip off. Sorry guys, but no....way....
"puny citizens of New Terra, who are forced to slave in the energy mines" hrmmm, humans as energy producers, or just slaves in energy mines. Same idea common!
Would'nt surprise me if they took some ideas from this film. I mean some ppl need to calm down I dont think this guy is saying they stole the idea completely...just that someone else had a layout and the wac. brothers ran with it.
There's nothing wrong with that IF you perfect and put your own twist on it. There is something wrong with ruining a good trilogy but, hey revolutions dropped of the top ten box office in just under four weeks so that good enough for me. :P
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Well i think the first and the second one had something going there but, it just all fell apart for me in the third one. The majority of ppl disliked the third movie and I think for good reason.
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I said it in the "Matrix at the Oscars" thread. The Matrix Trilogy contains deep rooted Philosophy cloded by allegory. Note that last word - Hence the reason for my sarcastic post further up - which links to the word - allegory.
And again: What is the Matrix? Whatever you want it to be
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Matrix is a huge ripp off!!
Jan 7th, 2004 09:24 AM
