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Seth-Gecko
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Neo IS THE ONE!!!

The Oracle is a Program, plain and simple. She is there for a reason, she has her own "purpose" in the matrix. Think about it, she told him hes not the one, she told Trinity she would fall in love with the one, Morpheous yada-yada. All of it is just a system of control. Control what? Neo's Path. Reloaded states that the path of "the one" ends at that building. The architect told him that his role is to be inserted back into the matrix and reloaded the prime programming. This was neo's purpose! He was not ment to end anything

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"Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden asciduously avoided it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexorably....here"

Quoted from the architect, this means that in the programming of the matrix, some "one" will carry a code that can do what Neo does (flying, bullet stop, view matrix as code) no matter what. The machines realized this and thus created a "measure of control" to push Neo in the path he was "supposed" to take. Think about all the "help" hes getting: the oracle, seraph, the keymaker, all of which speak of "their purpose" in the matrix. All had a part in sending Neo to the source, where he was "supposed" to intergrate with the matrix and start the cycle ALL OVER AGAIN. Neo however is different than the 5 other ones that carried his program. Trinity's love is what is different and the reason he chose the matrix instead of the source. Since he did that, all that happened before the other ones is now just thrown out the window. Neo is on a path that no "one" has taken, making the rules as he goes.

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So what you're trying to say is that there has been previous ANOMALIES, but they weren't THE ONE?


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how about smith? is he the one? NO! Smith is a program that was "destroyed" by Neo, thus being obsolete. Oracle states that when a program is replaced, it can stay in the matrix or return to the source.

"...and then somthing happend. Somthing I knew was impossible but it had happend anyway...you destroyed me. After words I knew the rules, I understood what i was supposed to but I didnt....I couldnt. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey."

Smith has become nothing more than a rouge program, a virus in a sense.

"The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you cary, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals--16 females, 7 male--to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race."

This cataclysmic system crash may be Smith himself since he is pretty much spreading his virus to EVERYONE in the matrix. Thats what I think is Smiths "Purpose"


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Although as has been pointed out, the Iracle never directly said "You are not the One" to Neo.


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quote:
Originally posted by GABRIEL05
So what you're trying to say is that there has been previous ANOMALIES, but they weren't THE ONE?

No, The 5 other ones were in fact the one. They only did what they were supposed to do, return to the source. Neo didnt, you see what I'm getting at? Neo just screwed up everything and now there is no Path of the one. Since that building was destroyed, he cant get back to the source and therefore, has no way of "reloading" the matrix.

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Although as has been pointed out, the Iracle never directly said "You are not the One" to Neo.


She did in part 1 when they met the first time, but as I said, all is just a measure of control.

edit: your right, Neo stated he wasnt the one, the oracle only said he was waiting for somthing.

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Indeedy... there is always this running thing that the Oracle has never lied (although it is possible she has deceived nonetheless)


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quote:
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Indeedy... there is always this running thing that the Oracle has never lied (although it is possible she has deceived nonetheless)


i dont think its a question of lying, just more a matter of interpretation.

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http://blogs.salon.com/0001797/2003/05/19.html Read this. This guy's good. Apropos this topic, read from the third to last paragraph.


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Read this. This guy's good. Apropos this topic, read from the third to last paragraph.


hmmm he brings up good pointss


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quote:
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non sequitur
I absolutely LOVE that Bruce Lee quote. It's funny cuz I just happened to check on this post by chance when I noticed it. It just kinda jumped out at me. I don't think it was chance either.


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quote:
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non sequitur
I absolutely LOVE that Bruce Lee quote. It's funny cuz I just happened to check on this post by chance when I noticed it. It just kinda jumped out at me. I don't think it was chance either.


what do u think about Neo being the one?


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bump ^


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I now have reason to beleive that everyone standing in Neo's way, (the machines, like the archtect) obviously do now want to be destryoed. The machines i believe are tricking Neo to believe that his puropose was to end at that building and start Zion over once again. Now tell me, if you were a machine.. would you do anything and everything in your power to not be destroyed? You bet your ass you would. I think that the machines are tricking Neo and trying to hold him back.


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Seth-Gecko> Smith no longer HAS a real system-purpose. When Neo deleted him in M1 Smith was supposed to return to the Source like any other good program, but he didn’t. NOT because he has to virus-spread like a loon, but because this AI has gone crazy. We see the beginning of this in M1, when Smith interrogates Morpheus.
The cataclysmic system crash in not caused by Smith. It’s an build-in paradox of the Matrix-program itself. This entire deal with humans having to accept/chose to be plugged into the system, even though they have no real choice. The paradox creates and anomaly, a human then pick up the anomaly and becomes the One.
The Source is not destroyed. The building is simply a representation of the machine main-frame IN the Matrix. In the real world the Machines have a main-frame as well.


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Smith does have purpose,a different purpose to his purpose as an agent, but he has purpose, "There is no escaping reason;no denying purpose,Because as we all know, without purpose we wouldn't exist"
So therefore, his purpose may be as Seth-Gecko mentioned


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That guy's assumption that the Councillor is one of the first people freed last time is dodgy- it was 100 years ago.


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Yes, that would make him some 111 years old by now, as Harmann himself states to've been freed at age 11.


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