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Anyone else into this sort of stuff......

Bands like Slint, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Explosions in the Sky, Mono

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I like Mogwai and Godspeed. never heard of the other three.


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I like Mogwai, Godspeed are excellent. Explosions in the Sky aren't all that, though I can listen to them if need be.

The only Godspeed clones (because they all essentially are) I can stand are Esmerine.

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Mono are a japanese band


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Your point?

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Originally posted by eggmayo
I like Mogwai and Godspeed. never heard of the other three.


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Your point?

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It was in reply to this, a little bit of info about the band.

Whats your problem ?

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I adore Godspeed and Mogwai, haven't heard a lot from the others.

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Such a ricidulous label is post-rock.

GYBE are instrumental rock. Not sure why it's 'after' rock.

Explosions in the Sky are a cheap knock-off.


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FFS, *ridiculous*.

I don't mind Mogwai at times, but it's a bit hit and miss.


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Its post rock as it takes the ideas of rock music and deconstructs them and then reconstructs them, using certain musical ideas and devices. For example it may take a piece of music that could be considered an intro and they would stretch it out over an entire song, its post modern and I think thats where the name originates from. It takes the cliches of rock and roll and subverts them. Its an intelligent evolution of the genre and i dont think instrumental rock encompasses what these bands are trying to do.


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It doesn't do all that. It's instrumental rock, that's all.

What people like yourself (not saying you are specifically trying to do this) are trying to do with these labels is make themselves sound like they know what they're talking about.

GYBE! are instrumental rock, that's all. Nothing 'After' about them.

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is it:
Godspeed you! Black Emperor
or:
Godspeed you black emperor!

because they get labeled as either or as far as i can tell.

doesn't bother me much, but wanna ask anyway.

either way, i enjoy GYBE, Mogwai and EITS... but they definately have to be listened to at the right times


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Both, really. I tend to use the latter, but you can use either.

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GY!BE was the first way i saw it put, so i tend to use that version.
plus i like that way for some reason


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Its post rock as it takes the ideas of rock music and deconstructs them and then reconstructs them, using certain musical ideas and devices. For example it may take a piece of music that could be considered an intro and they would stretch it out over an entire song, its post modern and I think thats where the name originates from. It takes the cliches of rock and roll and subverts them. Its an intelligent evolution of the genre and i dont think instrumental rock encompasses what these bands are trying to do.


Neither does 'post-rock'. The name can't originate from post-modern, because a) it's not; and b) it just shares a prefix, which means 'after'.

It could be argued that many bands use the techniques you just mentioned, and they don't fit into that genre, whatever it might be.


Re: GYBE- they changed the placing of the '!' once, although I don't know why.


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Re: Post-rock

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Anyone else into this sort of stuff......

Bands like Slint, Mogwai, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Explosions in the Sky, Mono
not really heard of the stuff.

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Post-rock is a fake label because how can there be anything after it? It's always in current existance.

It's rock, not post-rock. Just instrumental rock. Post means after. So for example, when anyone says post-grunge, they're referring to any music after grunge. Including pop.

Hence why labellers are stupid.

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Of course its post-modern.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=post-modern


The term doesn't apply here. You could argue post-modern elements, but you could do the same of any musical genre that succeeds another.

It's just lazy pigeonholing.

Imagine if rock had originally been called post-blues.

This would be post-post blues.

That could go even further obviously, but it's a silly trend to start.


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For you to discount that this is a postmodern style of music is just ridiculous and pedantic, clearly you dont understand the concept of post-modernism.

Postmodern does not singularly refer to music that comes after other music, did you read the definition. It is about consciously mixing up certain elements and devices established by prior generations of musicians.

But things like the Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin were most definitely post modern in relation to their time in history, they took the basic ideas of the blues and built upon them,you cannot say that Blind Lemon Jefferson sounds the same as Black Dog or When the Levee Breaks, but they were most definitely influenced by Jefferson. They were not labeled as Post Rock at the time as theories of Post modernism arose after this period.

And almost every art form cannot avoid post modernism it is the very basis of artistic evolution


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