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FistOfThe North
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RAP - (It's only music)..So then what's your problem with it?

What's the deal with conservatives and rap.

They call rappers black trash yet they market their own company products using some type of Hip-Hop influence to promote their items.

Or they talk about the harsh messages in rap. What about the harsh messages in movies that are not only audible but visual as well. Crazy violence. And it last 1 and a half hours of it. rather than the 4 min in song that seems to get more attention. On top of which, a whole rap album isn't even as long as a movie. (i think.)

But like movies, I listen to rap for the entertainment it offers.

But I'd like to know what's your problem with it (If you hate rap music)


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I like good hip-hop, I just don't like most newer mainstream shit. 'Cause it all sounds the same, and it all sucks... in my opinion.


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It sux IMO... no good Lyrics, No Good Sound and They all sing about the same shit: Money, Sex, Drugs, pimp.. etc, etc..
And it sux balls... I cant understand The good thing with rap.. they don't even Show the rest of the "band" Its just the Singer Who gets the attention.. unlike the most Metal bands where every one get to be seen and have their Spot in the Light. But not in Most of the rapers Videos/Announcement.. i've only seen the Singer(s) Talk And seen on their Videos.


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It sux IMO... no good Lyrics, No Good Sound and They all sing about the same shit: Money, Sex, Drugs, pimp.. etc, etc..
And it sux balls... I cant understand The good thing with rap.. they don't even Show the rest of the "band" Its just the Singer Who gets the attention.. unlike the most Metal bands where every one get to be seen and have their Spot in the Light. But not in Most of the rapers Videos/Announcement.. i've only seen the Singer(s) Talk And seen on their Videos.


this is simply a generalization. you're making an opinion on a genre of music based on what you've seen on television and heard on the radio.

you're missing out on real hip hop music.


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Same here.

I mostly listen to 90's rap that came from the Biggie, Nas, Tupac, Wu-Tang era.

Most of the new stuff out now is garbage but it doesn't mean i hate rap. Like you, i hate bad hip-hip but as culture and music, it never made me pick up a weapon and assault someone because i heard a rapper make it sound cool to do so.

And I think that's one of the main reasons people who don't like rap, hate it. Cause they think it causes violence. Which is bull.


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Yeah i also think that the "old" rap/hip-hop can Be OK..
But All thees 10.000 Diffrent "new" Rapers are SH!T!
And they all think they can sing and make good "music" but Nah.. thumb down


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Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Same here.

I mostly listen to 90's rap that came from the Biggie, Nas, Tupac, Wu-Tang era.

Most of the new stuff out now is garbage but it doesn't mean i hate rap. Like you, i hate bad hip-hip but as culture and music, it never made me pick up a weapon and assault someone because i heard a rapper make it sound cool to do so.

And I think that's one of the main reasons people who don't like rap, hate it. Cause they think it causes violence. Which is bull.
Saying that most new stuff sucks isn't really much better than saying most rap sucks period IMO. Good stuff is harder to find these days, it's not the golden age anymore, but there's still plenty of good stuff still coming out. Even 90's style rap isn't completely dead yet, Fishscale was a dope album, Meth's new album is good, and Raekwon's Cuban Linx II might be somewhat promising.

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They don't listen to real hip hop. They listen to that pop shit.

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once u listen to real hip hop and rap u will understand


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Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Saying that most new stuff sucks isn't really much better than saying most rap sucks period IMO. Good stuff is harder to find these days, it's not the golden age anymore, but there's still plenty of good stuff still coming out. Even 90's style rap isn't completely dead yet, Fishscale was a dope album, Meth's new album is good, and Raekwon's Cuban Linx II might be somewhat promising.


What I said make perfectly sensible. Most new stuff does suck now even compared to the 90's the rap scene was mostly hot. Sure it had it's commercial BS but the majority of rap was hot. Now it's in the reverse to me. Just like you said, good stuff is harder to find these days and why is that? Cause most new stuff sucks now. Finding good stuff in the 90's wasn't a problem at all.

And 90's rap is dead merely because were not in the 90's anymore. 90's rapper aren't dead is what I think you meant.

And it's "been" not the golden age any more... Since '93. Anything from '93 and on, till now, is the modern age of hip hop. And in that is the element of new age hip-hip which to me started after Biggie and Pac died. When all the BS started to surface, drawing me away from the game.


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I changed my mind alot about hip hop actually and its not really about money, sex, and stuff lioke that. Thats mostly commercial rap. Eyo, if listen to underground or hip hop from really artist, youll like it. It wont be the so called "same shit"


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No, there's more of a solid underground now thanks to the internet, most new rap doesn't suck, I'd say it's somewhere around 50/50.

No, I meant 90's style, as in the style of rap that was popular in the 90's.. some 90's rappers are still making the same kind of music.

93 the end of the golden age? Weird, 93-95 is the PEAK of the golden age if you ask me. I mean Wu-Tang's 36 Chambers was released in 93, Snoop's Doggystyle in 93, ATCQ's Midnight Marauders in 93, Illmatic in 94, Gang Starr's Hard To Earn in 94, Ready To Die in 94, Outkast's Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik in 94, Organized Konfusion's Stress: The Extinction Agenda in 94, Common Sense's Ressurection in 94, Mobb Deep's The Infamous in 95, Gza's Liquid Swords in 95, Raekwon's OB4CL in 95...

There are plenty of classics before and after that period but never have so many classic albums been released in such a short amount of time..

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The only commercial rap i listen to is

Snoop dog
Dipset
D block
Nas
Black Rob
TI
Juelz Santana ((Dipset))
Young Jeezy
Jadakis


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Originally posted by JacopeX
The only commercial rap i listen to is


Young Jeezy


The worst rapper you could ever listen to.

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Originally posted by Swe_Bum
It sux IMO... no good Lyrics, No Good Sound and They all sing about the same shit: Money, Sex, Drugs, pimp.. etc, etc..
And it sux balls... I cant understand The good thing with rap.. they don't even Show the rest of the "band" Its just the Singer Who gets the attention.. unlike the most Metal bands where every one get to be seen and have their Spot in the Light. But not in Most of the rapers Videos/Announcement.. i've only seen the Singer(s) Talk And seen on their Videos.

If you think rap is about sex, drugs, pimping, you're right because that's why it was made.But all songs aren't about that.

You're messing something. There are no "bands" in rap except for a few groups. I don't know why you would want to see a producer or mixer.

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Originally posted by Afro Cheese

93 the end of the golden age? Weird, 93-95 is the PEAK of the golden age if you ask me. I mean Wu-Tang's 36 Chambers was released in 93, Snoop's Doggystyle in 93, ATCQ's Midnight Marauders in 93, Illmatic in 94, Gang Starr's Hard To Earn in 94, Ready To Die in 94, Outkast's Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik in 94, Organized Konfusion's Stress: The Extinction Agenda in 94, Common Sense's Ressurection in 94, Mobb Deep's The Infamous in 95, Gza's Liquid Swords in 95, Raekwon's OB4CL in 95...

There are plenty of classics before and after that period but never have so many classic albums been released in such a short amount of time..


Nah, it's not weird. Here's how it goes:

70's to '86 = Old school hip-hop

'86 to '93 = Golden age of hip-hop

'93 to now = Modern age of hip-hop with (98 to now = New age of hip-hop) - still modern age -

When Dmx, Em, Canibus, Ja and 50 and everyone else started to come in. Basically after Big and Pac passed. Oh, and you forgot "Me Against the World" and the chronic. Yea the chronic came out in '92 but it's the only album I'll include in the modern age.


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i go with Afro man, i think the golden age passed around 96' after Pac and Biggie died, although personally i dont think they're the gods people make them out to be, but hell everyone has their own opinion.

Most people generalize too much.... thats what it all boils down to


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Originally posted by JacopeX
The only commercial rap i listen to is

Snoop dog
Dipset
D block
Nas
Black Rob
TI
Juelz Santana ((Dipset))
Young Jeezy
Jadakis
you mentioned D Block and spelled Jadakiss wrong. Jadakiss is part of D Block

laughing


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Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
If you think rap is about sex, drugs, pimping, you're right because that's why it was made.
that's not why it was made...

"im tryin' not to lose my head"

think stoopid stick out tongue


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Hef, how did you come to that conclusion?


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