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Luke's skill
There's a "Dooku's skill" thread, so why not a Luke? Many people seem to think Luke is not powerful what so ever by the time of ROTJ as compared to the PT Jedi. He learned from the best, and learned it fast. I'm out to prove that Luke is as good as those PT Jedi. Best way to do that? Examples, I suppose. Here are a few:
Luke is able to show his skills with the force in ROTJ when he effortlessly subdues two guards and when he performs a mind trick.
Luke shows us two great fights against Vader.
Luke takes out around 20ish mercenaries on Jabba's sail barge.
Vader comments that Lukes "Skills are complete" in ROTJ.
Anybody have anything to add on or comment about? That is why it's a thread, after all.
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I somewhat agree. By the time of RotJ, Luke certainly wasn't a Mace Windu or a Yoda - but, yes, he is very powerful - especially for the limited time he had for training. His potential is immense, and he is a capable Jedi even with the meager training under his belt.
By the time of Dark Nest, yeah, I agree that Luke is the most powerful Jedi ever. Perhaps even the most powerful Force-user ever.
Luke beat Vader for one and was able to drive him back, picked up a saber and within several months time learned as much about it as any knight...yeah, Luke's good
Yeah, he beat his physically and emotionally crippled father when Vader wasn't even putting up a fight. Luke might have been as good as a knight by RotJ, but months after ANH? Years after ANH, and he could barely grab his saber with the force. He wasn't even youngling level at that point.
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With those links I posted, the first few are just to show how fast Luke learned, even before he met with Yoda. The latter section is more impressive, with Luke doing things like inspiring awe with his speed, kicking thugs off swoop bikes while deflecting fire behind his back, using mind tricks, and showing Vader that his power is now incredible (see the last link). These things couldn't be achieved by your average Joe Schmo PT Jedi.
Each group of criminals consisted of 6 people according to the novel. Luke fought two in Shadows of the Empire. Hardly impressive, when Anakin took on about 20 when he was a Padawan.
Really, do you see Luke doing many of the things Anakin did in AotC? He senses completely silent bugs from meters away and, in seconds, leaps into the next room and cuts them off of Padme's face without even hurting her. Luke hasn't really demonstrated anywhere near that precision by RotJ. In a similar situation, Luke would probably miss and cut off Padme's head.
Luke wields the damn thing like a baseball bat. Watch RotJ. His saber technique is obviously lacking.
ESB? Luke looked fine. He got knocked unconscious and woke up and stuggled to grab the thing.
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Compared to Obi wan and Anakin's baton skills?...
Well, it seemed to work fine for him against Vader now didn't it? In ESB his saberwork is excellent. Oh yeah, and compare the scene on Jabba's sail barge to what we see some of the PT Jedi doing in the Geonosis arena, Luke does much better.
Luke was supposed to be 'the Hero' of the SW saga, so obviously, he's going to be hyped as such, but, as Rasielim pointed out above, his 'skills' in RotJ are no better than those of a PT Youngling. When he enetered Jabba's palace, he used the Force to choke the guards. That was unnecessary, and, Yoda clearly said, a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack...
As mentioned, by Razielim, he wields his lightsaber like a bat and just swings it in the vain hopes of hitting something.
While on Jabba's barge, one of the guards was able to shoot him in the hand! (had it been an organic limb, he would have been disarmed) The fight against Vader, again, as pointed out by Razielim was hardly anything special, or showing Luke in a good light.
As for Vaders comment 'your skills are now complete', that was because he had constructed his lightsaber (as did all Padawans) Obi-Wan had constructed his own lightsaber prior to TPM, so by arguement, his skills were also complete, but he was still learning new skills and new techniques up till RotS and beyond. Just because Luke had gained and completed the basic skills, that didn't necessarily mean he had nothing more to learn, or that he was any better than he actually was. Zett Jukassa was shown to have better blaster deflection skills in RotS (even though he was ultimately killed)
He did, but, he didn't choke them, (which is a much more agressive technique) as Luke did. To be honest, by brushing them into the wall and preventing them from taking any action against him, Yoda was actually doing the guards a favor...
Jun 29th, 2006 12:06 AM
