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THE JLRTENJAC
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Question The origins of the Jedi.

Where did it all begin? When was the force discovered?

According to Darth Bane: Rule of Two, they supposedly originated as a tribe on the planet of Tython in the deep core.

"Much older Legends identified Tython as the original birthplace of the Jedi order, over twenty-five years before. According to the tale, priests and philosophers of the world had the ability to draw upon a mystical energy they called Ashla; a power that represented all compassion and mercy in the universe. They were opposed by a rival group that drew their strength from the Boga, the manifestation of raw passion and uncontroled emotion.

The stories said that a great war ensued between the two groups, with the worshipers of the Ashla emerging victorious. The first Jedi Knights supposedly had evolved from the survivors of the war, creating the first lightsabers in their initiation ceremonies. Many years later some of these Jedi left Tython and braved the unstable hyperspace routs to share their beliefs with the worlds beyond the deep core. And as they met and mingled with the other civilizations, Ashla snd Boga became more commonly known as the light and dark sides of the force."

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No thoughts in 5 hours. Imaginative lot aren't we?

Frankly, I prefer the idea that the Jedi formed out of a collection of like-minded individuals, not on one planet isolated from the galaxy, but out of a group of beings who had come into contact centuries before. Kinda like a big convention for people who could feel the Force, who then decided to form an official group along with the Republic's creation.

The notion that the whole thing came about in one go in one place between so few beings on some isolated world sounds kinda boring to me.


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From wookieepedia

Founding of the Order and early Jedi

The earliest documentation of the existence of the Jedi Order seems to indicate that the organization was formally founded around the same time as the initial incarnation of the Galactic Republic, circa 25,000 BBY, although it may have existed before this point.

Many ancient and semi-legendary organizations have been proposed to be the forerunners of the Jedi Order, including the Order of Dai Bendu,[1] the Followers of Palawa,[2] and the Chatos Academy.[1] No conclusive links have ever been demonstrated, though. Likewise, the birth planet of the order is unknown. Several worlds have been put forth as candidates, including such known worlds as Coruscant, Ossus, Dantooine,Utapau, and Corellia, as well as mythic, lost planets such as Had Abbadon and Ondos.

According to a commonly accepted version, the dawn world of the Jedi was Tython. The galaxy's best philosophers, priests, scientists, and warriors came together here long ago to discuss their discoveries involving the enigmatic and mystical Ashla.[1] In the event historians now know as the First Great Schism, dissidents who used the Bogan eventually arose, sparking the Force Wars of Tython. The Dark Jedi General Xendor and his followers allied with the master of Teräs Käsi, Arden Lyn, and her Followers of Palawa from Bunduki. In a climactic battle, Xendor was slain, Jedi Master Awdrysta Pina stopped Arden's heart with morichro, and Lyn killed Pina with the Kashi Mer talisman.[2]

From the ashes of these wars arose the early Jedi, and their Jedi Forge initiation ceremony led to the invention of lightsabers after they faced threats from beyond Tython. Through the use of advanced off-world technology, the Jedi were able to "freeze" a laser beam, resulting in the birth of the lightsaber.[1] A proactive group left Tython to liberate other worlds, becoming the Jedi Knights. They founded a philosophical school on Ossus, defining the light side and dark side of the Force (equivalent, respectively, to the ancient Ashla and Bogan) as well as the Living Force and Unifying Force.

In 25,000 BBY, the Galactic Republic formed.[2] The Republic mapped the Perlemian Trade Route, which linked Coruscant with Ossus. The early Jedi learned morality from the Caamasi.

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They had to retcon that, it seems. The First Great Schism did not originally take place on Tython, not to mention that the war took place on several worlds, not just Tython.

Yep, I've been reading the Jedi vs. Sith guide...


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I have to admit, I like the idea that it came from one location beter, because that would seem more realistic, since few, if any, religions begin as a wide spread religion. the start in a small area and expand. It may not be exciting, but it does seem like that's how it would work.


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Originally posted by Tangible God
No thoughts in 5 hours. Imaginative lot aren't we?


Yup, and that's why we're fans, and not writers.


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it's like a calender, everybody claims to have made the first one, nobody knows for sure and they all vary slightly


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hmm... Interesting Metaphor...


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I have to admit, I like the idea that it came from one location beter, because that would seem more realistic, since few, if any, religions begin as a wide spread religion. the start in a small area and expand. It may not be exciting, but it does seem like that's how it would work.


The thing is that the Force is not simply a religion. In this case, they could have been guided to each other by the will of the Force, leading to this group of special people to realizing their common ability and what they could do with it, and thus the birth of the Jedi Order.

I'm guessing that was the original plan, but looks like they've narrowed it down...


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Obviously it was a mishap during stem cell research.


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The thing is that the Force is not simply a religion. In this case, they could have been guided to each other by the will of the Force, leading to this group of special people to realizing their common ability and what they could do with it, and thus the birth of the Jedi Order.

I'm guessing that was the original plan, but looks like they've narrowed it down...


That is a good point.


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The thing is that the Force is not simply a religion. In this case, they could have been guided to each other by the will of the Force, leading to this group of special people to realizing their common ability and what they could do with it, and thus the birth of the Jedi Order.

I'm guessing that was the original plan, but looks like they've narrowed it down...


Could be, it makes sense.


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There are several explanations and claims, concerning the creation of the Jedi and Sith Orders. Does anyone know if any of these claims are canon?


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The currently canon origin of the Jedi Order comes from origins on Tython, where an organization of Force-users came together to create an Order that would selflessly dedicate itself to defending the galaxy. Along the line, other Force-using organizations merged with the Order, and then they searched for other individuals that were strong in the Force.

The Sith Order was born after the First Schism, in which the Dark Jedi were banished from the known galaxy for their war crimes. They happened upon Korriban, and from their subjugated the indigeousness Sith people, titling themselves Sith Lords and setting the groundwork for the Sith Order.


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Currently canon... Meaning it can change? Can noone stick to a story anymore?


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