I would like 3 lists of the of the most(top 5 at most) influential jed,sith and non jedi/sith. I'm not talking about who is the most powerful but who influenced the galaxy in his/her own time and shaped the galaxy for the the future.
Palpatine did Hitlers and became the Fuhrer of the Galaxy.
JarJar was the one setting the creation of Clone Army in motion while holding Padmes mandate in senate.
Luke Skywalker single handedly destroyed the DS and confronted the emperor.
Kenobi is hands-down the single most important Jedi in galactic history; Anakin and Luke are close seconds, and even their stories would've been impossible without him. Hell, his influence reaches from his own time well into that of the (garbage) Legacy era, as he basically helped create Darth Krayt.
Damn; guy can't catch a break.
Palpatine = duh. Vader destroyed the Old Jedi Order, helped create the Empire, and sired the first of the New Jedi Order. Then, he destroyed said Empire and fulfilled an ancient prophecy.
Palpatine is the most influential character in the mythos. Without him, you have no Empire, no Confederacy of Independent Systems, no revenge of the Sith, no Darth Vader, no Luke Skywalker, no Leia Organa Solo, and everyone would be happy. Take him out of the equation, the movies don't happen.
Here is my sith list though the order could be changed based on personal opinion
Sith:
1.Sidious=duh
2.Vader-once the great hero of the clone wars and became the face of evil for the empire,hunted his former comrades down in the great jedi purge,he was sidious's right hand man who would undertake alot of the dirty work he was responsible for the emperor's first death and he trained others in the darkside like Lumiya who would play a big role in the galaxy post endor and turned his grandson to the darkside
3. Exar Kun-DLOTS during the GSW, he instructed his followers to strike down their masters and put alot of fear/doubt into the jedi about their practices after his defeat,his temples on yavin would be used by the rebel alliance, created beasts like Terentateks,he was responsible for causing the cron cluster to go supernova,dark reaper and he either created or made the double bladed lightsaber popularand if i recall correctly Darth Ruin united clans from the GSW and the JCW to form the new sith empire
4.Revan(prior to his betrayal)-he was responsible for the defeat of the mandalorians, converted jedi to the dark side after convincing them to take up arms in the mado. wars,rediscovered the star forge, he had assassin droids like HK47 built to take out jedi and other key figures, his holcron gave Bane techniques he would incorporate on Ruusan but he would return to the lightside and destroy his own empire but remnants remained and caused havoc and hunt the jedi after he left the galaxy and darth rivan got his name from Revan.
5.Bane-he pretty much caused the end to the new sith wars by giving kaan the thought bomb, created the rule of two and made the sith appear to be extinct and his order would eventually conquer the galaxy and all that good stuff to come.
Other notable sith who influenced the galaxy would be Naga Sadow,Darth Ruin and Darth Krayt.
Is this in order? Because I fail to see how the Exile compares.
As far as Sith are concerned, all of Palpatine's apprentices (with the exception of Darth Maul) are top five material. Count Dooku and Darth Vader are on a level beneath Sidious himself. Bane, Revan, and Marka Ragnos are also among the most influential.
The only reason I personally had trouble putting Ragnos on my lists because he (while is the most powerful ancient sith) didn't really leave a much of mark on the galaxy while alive. His death was one of the major catalysts of the Hyperspace war, declared kun and ulic sith and we have the disciple of ragnos crisis. Don't get me wrong he is one of the greatest and most powerful sith but I think in terms of influencing the galaxy there are others that top him.
Influential nonjedi and sith though the order could most cerntainly change after number one
1. Jango and Bobba Fett- Jango was the original template of the clone army and was an accomplished bounty hunter and mandalorian. Bobba Fett is his clone son and he played a huge role in the galaxy from bounty hunting(often regarded as the number 1 bounty hunter), to his involvement in the vong war, being the new mandalore and what Jaina has the potential to do.
2. Gilliad Palleon
3. Thrawn
4.Canderous
5.Han Solo
Other notables in particular oder would include, admiral ackbar,General Grievous,Wedge Antillies, Jagged Fel(if he is the ancestor of the new galactic emperors) ],Mom Mothma, Bail Organa, Shimrra, Onimi,Tarkin
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:03 PM
You cant die yet, Zannah thought bitterly, chewing on her lip. There's so much more you have to teach me!
Her Master's power was still far greater than her own. She had the potential to surpass Bane-he had told her so himself-but right now he still possessed a strength she could only aspire to. There were secrets he had not yet shared with her, keys to unlocking even greater power than she now possessed. If he died, that knowledge was lost. It was possible she might one day succeed in discovering it on her own; with Bane as her Master, success was assured.
But what he still had to teach her went far beyond her ability to harness the energies of the dark side. For the past decade she had been focused only on learning to control her own power. Over that same time, her Master had begun to assemble the pieces that would one day allow the Sith to rise up and rule the galaxy.
He'd created a vast network of spies and informants, but Zannah had no idea as to its true extent, or even how to contact them. He had put into motion a hundred long-range plans to slowly build their strength while weakening the Republic. Yet she was only just now beginning to understand the scope and complexity of his political machinations.
Bane was a visionary, able to see far into the future. He understood how to exploit the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the Republic. He knew how to draw the eyes of the Jedi away from the dark side, while at the same time leading them down the first steps of the long road that would end in their complete annihilation. He could manipulate people, organizations, and governments, planting seeds that would lay dormant for years-even decades-before they burst forth.
If he died now, everything he had put into place over the last ten years died with him. Zannah would have to start at the beginning. She would have to find and train an apprentice, even as she was still learning the full extent of her own abilities. She would be stumbling blindly forward, beset by enemies on all sides. It was almost impossible to imagine she wouldn't make a mistake that would lead to her downfall... and the extinction of the Sith.
Aside from that, as everyone knows, by abolishing the the Brotherhood of Darkness and putting into place the Rule of Two, he was able to single-handedly ensure the survival of the Sith for over a thousand years.
In short, not only was he near fully responsible for the survival of the Sith for over a millenium (which he achieved by single-handedly toppling a powerful organisation, and creating a new one from scratch), but he also put into place what is described as eventually being directly responsible for the Sith's rise to power. Palpatine doesn't compare.
Yes, I'm currently in the part where Bane discovers the Orbalisks. Quite enjoyed it so far. But I wasn't referring to the book. I was referring to Nebaris' arguement.
Oh it is the same Bane argument without him we would have no Sidious, Bane laid the foundation for the events to come(though he might have played a part). That is another reason why I had trouble putting Ragnos on my list and Bane higher because I am not he biggest fan of "without this character then we would have this character 1000 years later" While it is a fair (and a good) point and I personally dont like basing my enitre argument on a point like that or similar to it.
It is true that, thanks to Bane and the Rule of Two, Sidious did what he did. However, once in power, what Sidious did was more influencial than anything Bane had ever done before him.
Apr 14th, 2008 07:44 PM
