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Is Palpatine a universe buster?
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Is Palpatine a universe buster?

Unleashing the full power of his hatred, he conjures a Force Storm that threatens to consume all of space, including the New Republic fleet.
- The Comics Companion


Is he a universe buster? Why or why not? If this [legends] canon source is just too "ridiculous" to be taken seriously, where do we draw the line? Are the Ones = universe buster quotes legit? How about Vitiate's galaxy absorbing ritual? Or Jerec's Valley of the Jedi experience? Or Palpatine's Force storms tearing surface off worlds? When can we just dismiss quotes for crossing some threshold of plausibility?


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Main source>supplemental material. Palpatine in DE is not portrayed being capable of that whatsoever and he lost control of his storm but nothing like that happened.


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Take note of the key words, it threatens to, not that it would do so instantly. So overtime the Storm would no doubt be able to, probably growing bigger as it consumed things, but that was stopped before all that.

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The source material I clear. yes


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The source material I clear. yes


You what?


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Is Palpatine a universe buster?

I doubt he's even a solar system buster.


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He's not even a planet buster.


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Nihilus > Reborn Palps confirmed.


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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Did you just say Nihilus was a planet buster?


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AncientPower
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Nihilus can legit annihilate the entire surface of planets, he's unrivalled amongst all Force feats of the mythos.


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I like how this dumbass quote says all space, and then mentions the fleet like that's a big deal.

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Nope.


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Planet busters are people who can destroy entire planets completely. Neither Vitiate nor Nihilus nor Palpatine can do that through their own sheer power.

Also, "universe buster"? Lmfao @ giving any single individual in SW that honor.

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Planet busters are people who can destroy entire planets completely. Neither Vitiate nor Nihilus nor Palpatine can do that through their own sheer power.


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AncientPower
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Of course they aren't planet busters, I'm noting that considering Palpatine isn't even a planet buster, nevermind universe buster, Nihilus still maintains the lead in terms of destructive feats.


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SunRazer
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Not really. We know Nihilus compliments his "planetary" Force attacks with orbital bombardment, which makes it much less impressive than Sidious' Force Storms. Nor the Ziost thing, even though that's probably a ritual.

And Sidious not being a planet buster in of itself doesn't make Nihilus the leader in terms of destructive feats, since, once again, Nihilus isn't a planet buster either.

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AncientPower
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Except the sources claiming Nihilus' fleet was involved are in direct conflict with the statements made by the sole surviving witness, who makes it clear no 'weapons' were involved, and the depiction in Unseen, Unheard. In which, no bombardment at all is portrayed, only Nihilus' powers engulfing the planet in some black storm that annihilates everything in its path.


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The_Tempest
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The Comics Companion says he can consume all of space, seems pretty straightforward to me.

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Except the sources claiming Nihilus' fleet was involved are in direct conflict with the statements made by the sole surviving witness, who makes it clear no 'weapons' were involved


Then that's what you call a retcon.

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and the depiction in Unseen, Unheard. In which, no bombardment at all is portrayed, only Nihilus' powers engulfing the planet in some black storm that annihilates everything in its path.


You see buildings crumbling, which obviously isn't the product of Drain. Given that Nihilus' future planetary conquests all involved orbital bombardment, I find it incredibly unlikely that this was some sort of Force Power he was using. Why the need for fleet bombardment when you can just invoke your powers to destroy the landscape?

The Battle of Telos IV makes it blatantly obvious that Nihilus couldn't just Drain entire planets on a whim. That's why Telos and its population, you know, survived...

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AncientPower
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It states he can threaten all of space with his storm, which as we've agreed before is complete brain death tier logic. Of interest is the inclusion of the NR fleet in that statement, which is rather redundant given the prior statement of 'all of space'. It may be logical to conclude that 'all of space', is infact a hyperbolic statement meant to infer that the space around the planet was being threatened.


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