Conveintiaonal wisdom implies running away counts as self admitted defeat, conventional wisdom is probably correct. So did Maul run away because he knew he couldn't fight Kenobi? Or was it for some other reason? I am of course, referring to his fight on Florrum.
Where they running away from a phantom strike force of Jedi that weren't about to show up?
Or were they not retreating at all and merely advancing in the opposite direction?
People say Maul can ragdoll Kenobi on a whim. For someone who wanted to capture Kenobi more than anything else in the world he failed miserably to prove that on Florrum.
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Maul dominating him in another fight in TCW and Obi-Wan fleeing doesn't count? Or is this just hate on Maul time?
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Maul cut his losses and retreated because of the state of his brother, yeah.
On the other hand in light of Maul thrashing Kenobi in Revenge and then contending equally with Maul prior him becoming focused by the death of Adi, conventional wisdom suggests they are combative equals.
They aren't equals. Have we seen Kenobi ragdoll Maul? No. Have we seen Maul ragdoll Kenobi? Yes.
Obi-Wan has never beaten him without some kind of advantage. On Florrum he was enraged (still got ragdolled twice)
In TPM arrogance gave the Jedi a win.
And then a crazy ass fcked in the head Maul was fighting with his arch-rival on Tattooine, Uncle Owen cheap shotted him when he wasn't looking.
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Cute, are we no longer arguing for the unleashed hordes of Jedi coming to aid Kenobi in that moment?
So your saying Kenobi was only focussed in that particular moment... as apposed to not being 'focuused' any other time they fought? Well that might explain the events in Revenge, on top of his obvious fatigue which you conveniently forgot to mention. Conventional wisdom suggests that New events mean past events can be disregarded. If Maul can't beat Kenobi with his Brother aiding him, he has little chance of doing so on his own.
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We never where.No, I said Adi's death gave him greater focus, though yes, Kenobi clearly wasn't in a favourably mindset in Revenge either.
And I forgot to mention nothing, Kenobi's fatigue only excuses his crushing defeat. Though I'd reckon your failing to acknowledge Maul having been out of practice for 10 years, and using legs he's yet to grow accustomed to.
__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
So you concede that imaginary hordes of Jedi won't be coming to aid Kenobi?
Greater focus? What does that even mean? Why is this term being shuffled as it were an emepheral circumstance? Why doesn't Kenobi carry this state of mind in other fights, for example, against Anakin on Mustafar or when he picked apart Grevious?
So you admit that the episode isn't worth mentioning?
His cybernetic legs were the reason Kenobi lost in the first place, that and the fact he was basically not in any condition to fight, is really not an a fair comparison in any measure, nor is it relevant. You wouldn't show me a video of Anakin fighting Dooku in ATOC to demonstrate why he's weaker in Revenge of the Sith.
To concede would suggest I made the argument in the first place.
Try googling it.
And you can infer what you like from those situations, provided ample proof. But in the absence of the same circumstances in these contexts, he's obviously not going to have the same level of focus. Where as Maul & Savage are described, by Filoni, as having "overextended" - in other words Kenobi had the upper hand in mentality.No. Why would I do that?My argument isn't that Kenobi is weaker as a combatant. Why do you keep mis-framing what I say in this way?
On the other hand yes, of course Kenobi's combat experiences against Maul are relevant. The mean of which suggests parity as combatants.
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__________________ ''It is necessary that I should die for my people; but my spirit will rise from the grave and the world will know that I was right." The Almighty Führer
He fled for a number of reasons. Not in order of importance:
1) Savage's injury
2) He decided his whole plan there was a faulty one "come brother, this plan has failed"
3) And yes Kenobi was being extremely resilient in that fight. Even IF Maul could take him down it would be after a very difficult 1 v 1 fight, which he didn't want to do at that time
But Kenobi's certainly not like Vader, where Maul knows fighting him 1 on 1 is just suicide.
Oct 2nd, 2016 10:52 AM
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