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Why Valkorion is more powerful than Palpatine.
For years we have witnessed the argument that Sidious unbalancing the Force was infact the product of the greatest Force feat of all time. I will prove why it is not.
Firstly and most importantly, the feat was the product of two Sith in unison:
Secondly, the feat was accomplished against no form of serious tangible resistance:
Instead the Force conceived the Chosen One, as a means of restoring the balance from the Sith threat which equated to both Sidious and Plagueis:
This was actually as a result of manipulating Darth Plagueis' own experiments:
This is generally misconstrued and even outright exaggerated to suggest that Sidious and Plagueis are of a premier threat. In actuality, Sidious and Plagueis together shifted the Force against no real form of resistance and Plagueis himself conceived the boy without his own knowledge, by the will of the Force.
This is often used as a counter argument against the Sith Emperor Vitiate, ironically indicating that only Plagueis and Sidious together have performed feats of greater import.
The Sith Emperor was capable of a galactic scale ritual in which all flora and fauna would perish and be consumed by the Sith Emperor himself so as to achieve godhood. Furthermore this act would reduce every star innthe galaxy to a drained black corruption, all planets would be turned to ash and the galaxy would be dead:
This is merely a greater manifestation of the Emperor's prior rituals, which is stated to be the power of the dark side taken to its extreme:
This ritual is dismissed by many for a number of reasons, which I will now seek to debunk as fallacious:
Firstly, we have the idea that the empowerment of a dark side nexus was a reauirement for the Emperor, this is in and of itself ridiculous. The dark side nexus of Dromund Kaas is a product of the Emperor's own rituals, at great expense to his own energy reserves:
The Dread Masters created the incredible dark side nexus of Oricon utilising a mixture of rituals, the seeds and the Phobis Devices:
Yet the combined power of the Dread Masters, and thus Oricon itself, are insignificant compared to the Emperor:
There is a very clear and obvious reason why the Emperor renders any dark side nexus completely insignificant compared to him. Because he absorbed the power of the strongest dark side nexus ever to occur during the Nathema ritual:
He is for all intents and purposes the very embodiment of the dark side itself:
Even Sith such as Darth Bane outgrew the artifacts and relics of ancient times:
Yet the rituals which Vitiate enacted, were far beyond Darth Bane's scope of comprehension:
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Registered: Aug 2014
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The second claim made to dismiss Sith Emperor Vitiate's galactic ritual is that he required a Galactic War to fuel him, this is also clearly incorrect. The Emperor sent out numerous agents to enact the necessary sacrifice for the ritual, yet any one agent's success would have achieved that sacrifice:
So a correct measure would be millions of deaths, not the fallacious claim that galactic scale deaths are a requirement.
Considering all of this, one must ask the question which aid is more significant, the fact that Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious had each other's power fueled by months of intense meditation or millions of Corellian sacrifices. There is no comparison whatsoever, an extremely powerful Sith Lord is immeasurably superior aid to a mere sacrifice of millions.
But the difference doesn't end here, there is an outstanding disadvantage that Vitiate suffered during the ritual that only further proves how fallacious the Sheev supporters dismissal of this feat is. Vitiate was suppressing the powers of his daughter Vaylin simultaneously:
Vitiate's ritual is absolutely and undeniably greater than that of the combined efforts of Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious; and he was capable of performing the feat whilst simultaneously suppressing the powers of an extremely powerful Force user such as Vaylin, whom as a mere child telekinetically crushed numerous Knights of Zakuul.
Furthermore one must consider the fact that Vitiate is far from his prime as the Immortal Emperor Valkorion:
One must remember that Vitiate enacted the Ziost Cataclysm:
This act of destruction required no rituals as it had at Nathema, as it is pointed out that Vitiate post-Nathema had become so powerful that he no longer required such aid:
Noting that Valkorion had gained a degree of incorporeal immortality after these events, to a degree that even Reborn Emperor Palpatine failed to attain:
Compared to Reborn Palpatine:
Therefore it is entirely possible that Valkorion's superiority over his Vitiate incarnation would make the act of galactic destruction even easier for him to accomplish.
There is infact plenty in the way of evidence to suggest that Vitiate, was infact capable of consuming the galaxy without a ritual at all, given.the vision of what would happen if Revan was not stopped:
Naturally the question is why Vitiate didn't pursue this course of action, the answer is twofold. Firstly, upon return Vitiate wasn't as powerful as he would have been if Revan had succeeded:
Secondly, Vitiate became enlightened by the Ziost Catalysm and clearly disowned his desire for galactic extinction:
Naturally, the Sheev supporters will fall back onto the Force Storm power to claim that Palpatine has the most powerful Force feat in history:
His most powerful Force Storm was capable of far more damage than what he had done to the western side of Coruscant. It can't begin to compare to the desolation of the galaxy and the satellite galaxies surrounding it.
Valkorion reigns supreme.
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So...Quotes which put Sidious > Vitate, even as of RotS(I mention this, as most feats you mentionened are from this time) and Quotes which put DE Sidious(one as of RotS, as well) > Valk doesn't apply?
Also, Sidious feats are better.
Lawl. My argument was that Sidious is canonically superior. But I'll make another one, after eating.
I am waiting for you countering Sidious accolades, btw.
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More than half of them are in-universe and most others are hardly definitive. Vitiate has the accolade of consuming the largest nexus the galaxy would ever see.
But that is assuming Legends accolades are even relevant when SWTOR is its own universe besides Canon and Legends.
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SWTOR is not influenced by Disney by any means, Lucasfilm themselves have stated they have no intention of meddling with SWTOR and that it exists within its own alternate SW-verse:
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When I get in front of my computer, I'll provide you with 2-3 more recent quotes than that from Hidalgo where he flat out says SWTOR is Legends. I already have 'em screenshotted for occasions like these. 👍
That will give you plenty of time to cite your sources and prepare your proverbial anus for the invasion that will commence.
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All of which are irrelevant beyond his timeline.
Did you even read thd OP? Valkorion isn't just capable of unbalancing the Force, he can drain the Force from existence and all but destroy the entire galaxy. Who cares about Force Storms?
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The OP never proves that.
But then its author thinks she's above petty things like citing sources, so more demanding aspects of discourse like "proving claims" are probably too much to ask.
Force storms can consume all of space and don't need centuries or galactic war to be triggered.
Registered: Aug 2014
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You mean like the months of meditation Plagueis and Sidious needed? Oh and they definitely didn't end the Force itself. Oh and the Force is merely part and parcel of said galaxy.
It 'threatened' to consume a completely undefined measurement of space in their vicinity. (Black holes can't destroy a galaxy, let alone the universe. Physics101)
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