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Why Yoda *is* Great
Okay so I rewatched this video by Jensaarai and he literally has no idea what he's talking about. His main blunder is saying that because Yoda was not a creative duelist; he was inherently slave to form.
This is ridiculous. The same applies to Sidious. Oh wait, what's that? Sidious and Yoda are the only definitive 9's in the movie. Mace borders between 8 and 9, and Anakin is 9 when amped.
Clearly slave to form doesn't really matter when the two movie duelists who mastered all seven forms and didn't retool any form to make their own style (as far as we know) are the two best duelists in the saga. Therefore 'slave to form' matters not
Also, his comments about the duel with Sidious. Jen says Yoda could have used Form II or Form III and not tired himself as quickly. Doubtful. Yoda was restricted to using Form IV offensively because his stature wouldn't allow him to use other forms for too long; or else his opponent would be able to take advantage of his small size and small blade.
Plus who cares? Yoda took the advantageous 'high ground' in a manner of speaking and using that disarmed Sidious. So it's not like he did poorly in that fight.
Jen states that Yoda trained himself to respond to the book. No creativity... while this isn't entirely false, it isn't entirely true either. Form VII was not wrote response. It required the practitioner to immerse themselves in the battle and enjoy it, and used randomised sequences and attacks. You can't just learn Juyo sequences.
Regardless, the two definitive 9's of the Star Wars saga are Sidious and Yoda, and both were textbook masters of all forms, neither really retooled any of the forms for their own use. They were just simply that good at lightsaber combat that they didn't need to.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
In the comic of aotc he actually did make use of soresu vs dooku. And given that dooku ended tiring himself out, it could be argued yoda's soresu is > dooku's makashi
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That's another thing I forgot to add. Good point. It's not like Yoda couldn't mix forms during combat. He used Ataru offensively complimented by other forms.
Rofl.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
Last edited by samappo on Mar 25th, 2017 at 03:01 AM
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Re: Re: Why Yoda *is* Great
Fair enough I'll watch the video.
No I'm not giving too much importance. Level 9 is only occupied by Yoda and Sidious definitively. I used this to show that just using the forms in a textbook doesn't mean you're a worse off duelist.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
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Re: Re: Re: Why Yoda *is* Great
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
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I watched the video aaaaand he improved but not by much. He stills goes into more detail talking about Yoda's flaws than his strengths. He's just lowkeying his opinions instead of presenting them out loud.
I love how he says "Yoda isn't seen disarming anyone, all he does it bash down his opponent's guard." (paraphrasing) yet Yoda disarms Sidious ???
Apparently a defensive fighter would be able to stop him. Basically hinting at Kenobi. Doubtful though. Kenobi on his duel on Mustafar concedes Vader as the better swordsman and knows Vader would break his defenses eventually. Vader just happened to *** up by being overconfident. On neutral ground Vader would have killed Kenobi. So the same could be applied to a potential Yoda vs Kenobi. Kenobi is also only an 8, Yoda is a 9, and the gap between 8 and 9 is quite massive, more so than the gap between any other two levels, so.
__________________ The Sith are not placid stars but singularities. Rather than burn with muted purpose, we warp space and time to twist the galaxy to our own design. - Darth Plagueis
You don't need to respond to these videos, especially Jensaari's inane ramblings about Yoda. Some of these YouTube analyses are the equivalent of setting yourself up for Fool's Mate in chess. I mean, we've had Tholme > Zannah and Zannah > Yoda, lmao.
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Sorta wanted to see if anyone could support his claims.
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No. Because they're factually incorrect. Acting like Yoda and Sidious are low-council tier in sabers is the equivalent of believing the Earth is flat in this day and age. Or thinking that 3 x 3 = 3.
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Lmfao.
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Only recently joined KMC so had no idea.
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Yoda disarms Sidious in the novelisation.
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That's what I meant. What does happen in the adult novel anyway? Does it extrapolate?
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Mar 25th, 2017 02:49 AM
