REMINDER: All characters are strictly in their Legends incarnation and are at peak combative (not potential) capabilities under normal conditions (no external amplifies or other temporary boosts are to be considered). All characters are at peak mental mindset while maintaining an accurate portrayal of their mindset and beliefs (morals on). Lightsaber skill and related abilities (such as physical strength, speed, etc.) is to be considered if relevant.
ADDITIONAL NOTICE #1: "Morals on" means that characters are fighting as they would be portrayed within the Star Wars universe given the conditions listed above. The intent is to not weaken the characters of any power, but rather for light-side characters to stay light-side characters. Thus, Luke Skywalker is not going to embrace the dark-side and use Force lightning or Force drain. Instead, Luke will bring all his powers to bear given the constraints of his ideology.
ADDITIONAL NOTICE #2: UnuThul will be considered with the amplified abilities he receives from the Killiks.
BANNED CHARACTERS: Ones of Mortis, Abeloth, Bedlam Spirits, Force Demons, Terror from Beyond, Waru, Mother Talzin, Gethzerion, Onimi, Irek Ismaren, Sarasu Taalon, World Razer, Sekot, Yuuzhan'tar, and other exotic entities.
Windu yeah. He's close to Sidious with or without Vapaad which places him significantly above the likes of Plagueis in terms of raw power (Plagueis is <<TPM Sids). So while Mace may not have Plagy's hax, he has the magnitude in power of someone who has telepathically reached out to every being in the universe, forced the direct intervention of the force, set landscapes on fire with his lightning, scales above fotress scale tk, and can suffeciently manipulate the buiding blocks of life to hold off the lightning of the most powerful sith lord in history. All the above seems to be a moreimpressive resume to me than whatever Valk has to offer.
Mace also has a lightsaber, while Valk does not. This happens to be a pretty massive advantage combatively as tutaminis expends energy far faster than simply swinging a lightsaber. Mace lightsaber abilities also border on the level of Anakin, Yoda, and Sidious. Three combatants who are the all time G.O.A.Ts as of the PT era.
Finally, Mace has vapaad. In the context of overall impressive combative formidability, Mace essentially is shielded from all darkside hax which means he's only vulnerable to estoric light side abilities.
Considering all the above, Mace seems to me a far more impressive overall combatant than Valkorian.
Honestly, it's more my placement of Krayt then anything. The text in Apocalypse indicates that his drain had a large impact on a being that was amping itself off of the life energy of trillions of beings and this was presumably while he was hindered by Vong parasites and before decades of further power growth. Krayt Reborn, which I take to be Krayt's prime, should be solidly above even the level I hold Apocalypse Krayt at which is enough to cause me to place him above the likes of Valkorion, though I believe it's close.
Honestly though, I understand why someone would vote for Valk over Krayt if they interpreted the fight in Apocalypse differently.
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Last edited by Naugrim on Jan 18th, 2018 at 06:56 AM