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Living Tribunal vs. Molecule Man
I know Marvel has evolved just like our mutant family. But I'm kinda from the old school of believers where the no - prize wasn't a tool to develope character plots.
In my head Owen Reese is top in the Marvel Universe.
Then there is the Beyonder. To whom marvel is just a pin prick.
I'm really not familar with the one above it all. Sounds pretty strong though.
I sure hope they have him make a limited series.
Anyhow in my head it goes:
Beyonder
Molecule Man
Eternity
Infinity
Living Tribunal
Chaos/Order
Inbetweener
Death
Phoenix
Galactus
Really I'm not even tempted to have Thanos stand underneath this line.
All the Big G has to do is fart and Thanos has got big problemo's.
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There was a retcon over ten years ago. Molecule man and The Beyonder were depowered as they were changed into both being incomplete parts of a cosmic cube. Their powers and feats were illusions. They rank between the skyfathers (Zeus, Odin, King Thor) and the celestials (who themselves are below Galactus and the abstracts(Eternity, Infinity etc)
You know all of that anyway ive seen you around in debates before. Personal opinion really doesnt cut it in the face of comic book events and the handbooks.
galactus is NOT on par with a celestial. nothing in 616 says so. i mean nothing. only alternate realities, and at best there is a couple of those. mind telling me anything that says galactus is that powerful??? lol, marvel has officially stated the celestials "constitute the next level of power".
Marvel also states that the celestials are merely the servants of the abstracts created by Eternity to sow genetic potential across 616. Check out Xmen Forever for confirmation.
Where does it state that they are more powerful than Galactus? At full power he is the balancing force between Eternity and Death. he is bonded with the universal essence. The celestials are cosmic farmers.
While alternate reality appearances arent continuity they at least let you know what Marvel think the characters are capable of.
i've posted the news letter several times on the forum, its somewhere... probably in the marvel universe heirarchy thread. balancing force... blah blah blah. universal farmers or not, they would bend galactus over.
and you are saying that all the showings of the celestials being more powerful than galactus, and marvel officially stating that they are more powerful are cancelled out by an issue of x-men??? lol, its funny that you would think that.
its not opinion, and i said i've posted the news letter several times. not to mention the actual showings of celestials IN marvel... whom have done things galactus has failed. not only did they do it, they did it w/ ease... such as making odin/zues/vishnu yeild with a gesture of his hand, while galactus couldnt overcome odin by himself...
What you forget is that the only time Galactus comes into contact with the heros is when he's about to eat the planet or the planet of one of their allies. Therefore he's in his weakest state.
In alternate realities Galactus has been shown as more powerful than the Celestials. Not continuity but it shows what Marvel think he is capable of under different circumstances.
In his strongest form he's a peer of Eternity and Death and is bonded with Eternitys essence. He has been called the most powerful physical being in the universe.
The celestials have had low showings as well. Their armour has been breached by Thor and IW. Even Jean Grey has broken off one of their hands.
The only time we see Galactus is when he's in his weakest form.
Pick up a current issue of TOHOTMU: Fantastic Four. It covers Galactus and places him above the Celestials.
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Xmen forever is where the phoenix retcon began, where iceman first started using his powers to their fullest capability, where jugg reformed and where mystique and toad changed in appearrance
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