i think apoc would win in 616 universe almost all the time. magneto might pull a win 1 in 100.
i also think apoc would win in most universes also. every now and then apoc is shown weak in an alternate reality.
even the x-men legends game says that magneto feels that "apocolypse is too powerful for either team (brotherhood and x-men) to fight alone..."
i'm pretty sure that this means nothing, but i'm also pretty sure that most of marvel also agrees that apoc is leaps and bounds more powerful...
now we will hear "what has apoc done in 5k years, hes weak". i'm sure thats what they think. they probably have picked up nearly no apoc appearances. he usually tries to win without actually getting involved. when hes shown to actually force his hand hes quite menacing...
Magneto can actually lift up to 30,000 tons, and Apocalypse is I think the greatest foe the X Men have ever faced yes greater than Onslaught.
Apocalypse was one of the most physically powerful beings on Earth. Thanks to the Celestial technology's modifications to his body, he could alter the molecular structure of his body at will in order to change his form. Using this he could alter his appearance or the size of his body; transform his arms and fists into various melee weapons and grant himself superhuman strength. He also can generate energy, thanks to a combination of his mutant power and the Celestial technology in his body. He can use this energy to levitate himself and others, create force fields, and project bursts of concussive force, and can augment himself further by drawing on various outside energy sources.
Apocalypse has demonstrated the ability to teleport himself and other beings, although this ability may be generated by outside technology rather than by Apocalypse himself.
Finally, he was unaging. Even before being modified by the Celestial ship, he lived for thousands of years and was highly resistant to injury. With the Celestial modifications, this resistance to harm was amplified, although it is still possible, albeit highly difficult, to cause him injury that would not be immediately regenerated by his power. Should he suffer massive injuries that prove potentially fatal, he can enter a coma-like state of suspended animation during which he may recover from his wounds with the assistance of his Celestial technology.
In the future timeline from which Cable hails, Apocalypse's physical form had grown too aged and enfeebled to contain his vast superhuman energies. Hence, he transferred his consciousness and powers into a succession of host bodies, abandoning each one when it too grew too old to contain his power. This alternate future version of Apocalypse was ultimately defeated in transit from a depreciated body into a potential host body. Shortly before he transferred himself into Cyclops, he revealed that he was in a host body in the present day - it is not entirely clear when this happened, but the most likely time is when he appeared to die on the moon.
Aside from his superhuman powers, Apocalypse was also an extraordinary genius with knowledge of science and technology centuries ahead of conventional science. This was not merely a result of his exposure to alien technology, as he was able to make significant new advances beyond the alien materials he was exposed to.
I'd say it's pretty obvious Magneto takes this, easily. in AoA the only difference had been that Xavier hadn't been born...Apocalypse was at his 616 power.
Magneto on the other hand, during AoA, was so much weaker. He was still ~70 years old, hadn't gotten his godly 616 upgrades, and even gave up some of his power.
At Magneto's current level of power, he would destroy Apocalypse with a thought. Apocalypse is overrated and doesn't stand any kind of chance.
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thats what most people say... but thats also the same people that dont read much on apoc
apoc once laughed at black bolts scream in a weakened state. but much like champion... has been "jobbed" down. he doesnt really force his hand much and just tries to plan everything and usually fails because of an unforseen outcome...
but overall he's physically more powerful and stronger than magneto. and AoA apocalypse was nothing like himself. have you read it???
Also in AoA, Apoc was the main villian and Mags was the hero, so suprise Mags beat Apoc which you could call PIS. Given their abilities Apocalypse should win the majority of fights IMO
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Apoc isn't really metal. They just draw him like that. He can control every part of his body down to the molecular level. I dont think magneto can quite affect him the way he could metal in a regular human. However, AOA magneto ripped apoc in half when he got really pissed so we know brute force can take apoc. But Apoc is a genius and he's probably got some crazy machine to take magneto. With prep, it goes either way. But if you piss magneto off enough, apoc is gone in a straight fight.
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Apoc is pretty weak against energy wielders. They don't get much better than Magneto. Magneto can rip apart Apoc pretty easily and Apoc doesn't really have the ability to block that from happening, since Apoc's energy projection is less than impressive, and lacks the kind of shielding to stop Magneto.
Magneto, on the other hand, has shields powerful to stand up to the likes of Phoenix and Galactus, both of whom are packing a bit more power than Apoc.
it seems as though everybody in this thread is basic thier decision off of the AoA universe. which is an alternate reality... but there is nothing to suggest that magneto CAN do that in 616 . apoc too has a victory over magneto IN an alternate reality. he was beating up the x-men, the brotherhood and magneto at the same time... so that doesnt say much about mags...
i'd say apoc has shown more durability and raw power, plus intelligence in 616
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magneto vs apocalypse
Jan 4th, 2006 07:54 PM
I'd say it's pretty obvious Magneto takes this, easily. in AoA the only difference had been that Xavier hadn't been born...Apocalypse was at his 616 power.
