Proof? I have a hard time believing a 10x stronger Thor would still lose to Thanos. King Thor didn't even seem 10x stronger. Beta Ray Bill, Surfer and Warlock still put up good fights against him.
Thor vol.1 160 whe he fought "him" aka Adam Warlock, King Thor is stronger than his normal self . Warrior Madness Thor is full potential not holding as where normal Thor does. He beat the sh** out infinity watch, silver surfer, beta ray bill, dr. strange without breaking a swet. He beat sh** out of drax the destroyer and he had the power gem and made him cough it up. Regular Thor defeated Thanos even though Thanos has defeated him more often then not.
Which is exactly what I've been trying to say everytime someone throws out that 10x number. If he was 10x stronger he would have creamed everyone in 5 seconds but Bill, Surfer, and everyone else put up good fights.
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10x has always been a fallacy -- a forum sponsored fallacy. he IS stronger, but its more of an 'unleashing' of his full strength i've always thought. and a complete disregard for pain or mercy. i've gotta guess that it is marvel's take on the northern 'berserker' warriors that used to ravage and pillage europe and anywhere else the vikings landed.
warrior thor is just thor without any self-imposed limits.
Warrior Madness Thor nearly killed Beat Ray Bill and Silver Surfer. Beta Ray Bill was getting his head kicked in and so was Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock is afraid of warrior madness thor and he fought warrior madness thor a fight he wouldn't want to get into again.
It's hard to disaggregate the power gem and warrior madness in the surfer/strange/warlock/etc. fight
But IIRC, it was clearly stated in narration that thor was AT LEAST 10x stronger in warrior madness. That is pretty ridiculously strong, given that base strength thor tore the midgart serpent from its vice grip on the planet earth.
Why do you say this? Thanos has fought multiple heros as powerful as thor simultaneously and smashed them easily. He was matching tyrant, a galaxy-destroying being of literally infinite strength, in a physical battle -- when various other of the strongest beings in the marvel universe could not even hurt him. He has been involved in at least 2 fistfights where a planet was destroyed accidentally by afterswings.
I'd say thanos at base strength (without cosmic/magical/tech amplification) is at least 100x stronger than thor. Probably much more, considering he has beaten immensely strong power-gem wielders (drax, champion, thor) on many occasions.
Losing to thanos tells us almost nothing about warrior madness's boost.
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100x stronger??
you must be kidding. he's admitted to wanting to avoid a physical confrontation with the hulk! and in the battle you're quoting with tyrant you failed to mention that thanos was being CRUSHED by tyrant right up until the time he used tyrant's orb (tyrant's own power) to further augment his own power.
he also never DID beat champion. that's a forum fallacy. he threatened to leave champ stranded on an asteroid unless champ gave over the gem. champ was NOT ko'd by thanos, nor did thanos do anything more than smack him a couple times to rile him up. thanos knew in that fight he couldn't win a physical battle. and in THAT fight the planet blowing up had NOTHING to do with thanos -- that was all champ.
the other incident you're talking about was his battle with drax, and yes, it appeared the planet they were on blew up in their battle, even though drax was only a 40 tonner at the time. later, to contradict that level of power, thor and thing were able to hold their own physically against him. it wasn't until he started blasting them that he got the upperhand.
100x stronger than thor??? not a single chance in all the hells in all the worlds of comics.
Thanos as a eternal can increase his class 100 strength to a higher level but not no 100x that's pushing it. And losing to Thanos is not bad at all, hell pretty much everybody lose to him except for sky-fathers of course.
I avoid confrontations with cockroaches and bees. I certainly hope I'm 100x stronger than them.
A decoy orb.... the real one is revealed later. The full power of silver surfer, gladitor, and many others was unable to even move tyrant. Thanos hurt him with A PUNCH.
How is that not beating him? He smacked him around and tossed him by his hair, and was not hit a single time, until champion accidentally destroyed the planet. He won the easier and smarter way because -- well, it was easier and smarter. What exactly does that prove?
Thanos has KO'd thing with a flick of his fingers. He's demolished thor on many other occasions. Even if you call surviving and being unable to harm thanos "holding their own" (until thanos blasts both of them and kos them instantly, of course), other apperances dominate.
Btw, it's telling that dominating thor and thing simlutaneously is a supposed "low" showing.
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Err, thanos can amp his strength up the same way a skyfather can. He wields cosmic energy at skyfather+ level, imo. The average skyfather is not going to be able to tussle with tyrant or galactus.
100x really isn't that much, from a cosmic perspective. It's like the difference between captain america and the thing. I think that's a fair comparison of the power gap between thor and thanos, based on their fights. Maybe even a conservative comparison.
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