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Thanos vs. Celestial: Is Thanos Second?
We all agree that Thanos is mad powerful.
See if you follow this logic.
Galactus is Top. Of course that is beneath the entities like Eternity and the exception like Phoenix.
Would it be fair to say that Thanos is second?
He seems to be more powerful than the Destroyer which can take down a Celestial.
Wouldn't that make Thanos more powerful than one too.
And couldn't he kick a Watcher's ass.
And of course the thing we all never mention about a fight....is that you have to be able to do it and get away with it.
-he's more powerful than the destroyer only depending on the soul which inhabits it. And in a straight match against the two, even assuming it's just a pityful sould, Thanos would still lose due to the sheer durability(IMO even greater than Thanos) of the destroyer.
-he's far beneath Galactus as well.
-he's is beneath a Watcher too.
-he's certainly beneath a Celestial.
IMO the powerlevel of an average Celestial and any level of Galactus short of the his highest is quite comparable. We don't know just how powerful Celestials are, but judging on heroes reborn, they threatened to destroy 616 or franklin's pocket universe if he doesn't do it himself. That should indicate at least some sort of measuring stick.
And they're easily more powerful than a cosmic cube too.
so disagree with him being second. Unless he some prep, most of the people in comparson with him on power here and the MU's abstracts could casually bitchslap him with a whim(save perhaps the destroyer and probably a watcher)
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I don't think a Celestial is comparable to Galactus.
as a person he managed to survive the destruction of a failed universe and grow into the "Caregiver of this one". You might see his armor and see similarities between the two. That's like looking at mount rushmore and seeing similarities between it and the presidents. anyhow that's just a surface explanation. I don't mean anything by it about you of course.
The one thing about Galactus is that this is his final go around.
Everyone in marvel knows that when he dies it signifies the end of the Universe.
I presume that part of his exploration is to find out when and how it will happen to him and another part is prob. to try to keep the pain for marvel and its heros esp. to a miniuim level.
Thaons can't be destroyed short of Galactus's death and the end of the Universe.
The only thing a Celestial in battle could do to him is wip up a prison.
It would know that but it would also know that Thanos would come ready.
Sure it has Celestial knowledge.
But when it doesn't know what its looking at it is at a disadvantage.
Thanos would cloak himself in a fight with one.
I would presume that the most powerful person who could inhabit the destroyer wouldn't be X but Strange.
I just think that if the destroyer could defeat a Celestial so can Thanos.
Shee's he won the heart of Death.
That's more power than the HOTU
We don't know just how powerful is a celestial either. just because Galan had even more grander origin, doesn't necessarily make him the most powerful. We don't even know the full details behind it and even some more question popped out when Tenebrous and Aegis awakened from Annihilation.
Even in HOTU, galactus was impressed when thanos killed just some celestials. that's gotta say something about what they are.
see.... this is where the lines of Strength and power get blurred...
See strength is based on what thanos can do without any outside help. In which he would lose to any abstract, and is on Par with A Skyfather, which makes him extremeley formidable, but nowhere near untouchable.But comparing Thanos of Titan to any other Eternal of his Race is like comparing Godzilla to the Geico Gecko.
But I do beleive that Thanos is on of the most Powerful beings in the Universe. He may not posses the brute strength to take out abstracts such as Galactus and Chronos by himself, but he can definatley defeat them under his circumstances. Thanos is Marvels Ultimate Apex predator, No-one attempts to cross him, not odin, not big G. Becuase they are like a pack of Lions versus a human, yeah, in a straight up brawl, the human gets ripped apart, but if both allowed to use resources the lions still just come with teeth and claws, when the human comes with a Tank.
Thanos is arguably second in Power, because he Can defeat anyone, brute strength is overrated, Fate favors the well prepared, and nobody, NOBODY comes better prepared than the mad titan. Thanos will Always bring a Gun to a knife fight, and the gun will probably be a gattling gun. And for that, he deserves a title in the top 5 most powerful in the MU.
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I don't think you can look at Thanos and just see his "Power" you always have to look at his brute strength first.
That is how he gained his power. Mind body and spirit. When he travels through dimensions without protection it is his brute strenght that allows him to survive. It is his brute strenght that makes him not capable of being destroyed if what i have read about him is true.
but its his mind that makes him dangerous.... If you read any Thanos you would know that, that is the complete basis of his character, that he is a huge brute, who's most dangerous muscle is his mind.
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No, I don't agree. He is not that powerful. On his own power, there are many beings that could crush him without so much trouble.
Even with prep Thanos doesn't stand a chance against Celestial, except if he gets IG or HOTU.
He is not on par with a Skyfather. And people even like to say, he was stalmating Odin, but it was clear that he was joke to Odin on his own.
Also with prep he is not second most powerful. He also had prep against less than normal Galactus and lost (and don't count IG or HOTU, beaucse everyone would be like him with that).
Also with prep, he was loosing terribly against Tyrant (who was far power level when he fought Galactus, but people again like to say he was stalmating Tyrant, while Tyrant didn't take him seriously and was easily beating him, and was also clear Tyrant was underestimating him and holding back).
He may be one of the most dangerous, but not because of his power.
Anyway, on his own, he is far from being one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
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Re: Thanos vs. Celestial: Is Thanos Second?
no . . .
unless you can see squirrel girl taking down celestials, or starfox going toe-to-toe with one of them. not unless you think odin (who along with a host of skyfathers couldn't make a celestial flinch yet who was clearly getting the better of thanos) suddenly grew in power about a 1000000x and can whoop down a celestial. unless you believe all those things, the answer is a resounding no.
and where did you get it that a destroyer could beat a celestial? even powered by all of asgard and some skyfather power it did no significant damage at all to any celestial it faced.
as for killing him -- who cares? they could reduce his body to ash and KEEP it that way. perhaps his soul wouldn't enter death, but it wouldn't have anywhere to go either. or they could simply trap him for all eternity. they've trapped other celestials, i see no reason to think they couldn't permanently trap thanos. thanos still resorts to fighting top tier heroes and teams and needs prep and gadgets to compete against high level powers. there is a reason ss and adam warlock and thor and the avengers don't battle celestials.
Sorry guys but Thanos isnt that powerful. He's still way below the beings your talking about. He's just a piss ant to the celestials and not much more to the big G. I wouldent doubt that hes as powerful as "some" skyfathers but not all. His cunning and intelect are what make him so dangerous. Still in the grand cosmic scheme of things he is still just a souped up eternal, not a cosmic being.
And the destroyer who fought the celestials was 2000 feet tall and powered by the asgardians. It cut off the arm of one celestial but it instantly regrew. Big difference between that destroyer and reg. version. Even it was obliterated by a combined beam from 4 or 5? celestials.
I really don't know where you guys came up with the idea that this was even close to possible. Short of Thanos having the IG, or HOTU he has no chance.
NONE! People way higher up the food chain fear the Celestials, and with good reason.
What is it with all the Thanos hype ? Is it something in the water ?
A CELESTIAL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos
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I am a huge Thanos mark...but the way some people overrate him is just laughable. Thanos is very, very powerful...but not second in the entire Marvel Universe.
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taking down celestials, or starfox going toe-to-toe with one of them. not unless you think odin (who along with a host of skyfathers couldn't make a celestial flinch yet who was clearly getting the better of thanos) suddenly grew in power about a 1000000x and can whoop down a celestial. unless you believe all those things, the answer is a resounding no.
