More than a versus thread (but that, too) I wanted to make this thread to discuss how/why Logan wins so god damned much.
Let me preface this by saying that I am ANYTHING but a Fanboy or a "Wolvie Hater." Ask around the forum, I've debated against Wolverine and for him, time and time again. I would like to consider myself impartial and unbiased (though I acknowledge the fact that NO ONE can claim true objectivity.)
Now, allow me to explain my position. Logan has six pointy things on the ends of his arms. These claws are as sharp as razors, and wholly indestructible (save for EXTREME cases - abstracts, Skyfathers, etc.). Now, being stabbed by any one of these six claws (assuming they hit a vital area) is nearly a death warrant for most characters. Logan is also very skilled (even if I don't personally believe he shows much skill in his fights, he knows where to strike. It's perscribed to him, and has been as much of a power for him as his 'healing factor').
Thus? Logan can hit these vital areas. And, even if he CAN'T pinpoint them, the human body has enough of them that a slash should touch something.
Lets ignore any of Logan's other characteristics, and just look at his claws now, if I may:
What are the defenses against ANYONE just slashing randomly with a machete(not to mention six of them that can cut through steel)?
Well, the first (and foremost) would be distance. Anyone who can strike at a distance can end the guy. Anyone who doesn't NEED to strike at all (Elementals, or Telepaths) can take him.
The second defense against a machete-wielding maniac? Speed. Anyone who is just THAT much faster than the guy, who can't be hit by him? Yeah, he can take him.
Third? Durability. Colossus level durability or higher, it would seem. Can't be cut by the machete? What's the fear of it?
Lastly; a healing factor. If the Machete cut doesn't phase you, what's the problem?
Quasi-last? An immune physiology. I consider this only 'quasi,' because it somewhat falls under either Durability or a Healing factor. I only include it because some beings may simply not be harmed by bladed weapons.
Let us continue with these defenses in mind.
This means that, realistically, if a maniac with Logan's claws came up against ANYONE that lacked the above attributes, he could likely win at least a few times, yes? Assuming, of course, that this person has to get in to do damage and is neither inhumanly durable nor fast, nor does this person have a healing factor - no matter their other attributes. They could be stronger than superman, and it would simply be a one hit win, for either combatant.
This brings me to my next point: (for all of those who now think Im a wolverine fanboy) Logan's skill means dick. Really, it does. Considering that a loser off the streets could do just about as well against people as Logan does...what the hell does it matter? Except in the RARE instances where he is depowered.
There. Now that I've calmed the angry mob (throw down the pitchforks).
Let's look at Logan's defenses.
First, an incredibly rapid healing factor. Ignoring both the highest and lowest showings, Logan's healing factor is still amazing, if inconsistent. Should Logan be able to be knocked out by a few bullets? Well...how large, how fast, and how well placed are these bullets? . Should he be knocked out by a few randomly placed on his torso? Not likely. His healing factor CAN be overloaded, though, and this has happened a few times. In fact, Wolverine would EASILY be taken down through dismemberment if not for his second defense.
His lovely adamantium skeleton. It prevents every bone in his body from breaking when he gets bitchslapped by the Juggernaut/the Hulk/Sentry, and it also keeps away those naughty dismemberment ideas.
So, let's see...to put logan down (still assuming we don't have the distance advantage, or a power advantage like a telepath or an elemental), we have to do a MASSIVE amount of damage to him, while being unable to effect his bones. Hmm...what is the easiest way to do so? Constant evisceration and disembowlment is one idea, no bones in your guts, after all. It might take a couple times of Logan's intestines spilling out onto the ground to do so, though. We could always go with blunt force, but the no bone breaking rule kinda gets in the way of that. Theoretically, though, enough repeated force WOULD knock logan out. So, let's get someone really strong to do so. Only thing is, he's been beat on by the Hulk, and then he's been beat on by Daredevil. His healing factor. Inconsistency. *sighs*. Therein lies the main problem, I would imagine.
Let us move on, though, to my ACTUAL point.
I theorize that Wolverine(or ANYONE with some sharp knives, an unbreakable skeleton, and a healing factor) should be able to take down a brawler at LEAST 3/10, assuming that brawler isn't incredibly fast, incredibly durable, or in possession of a healing factor. Why? Because even if the guy can press ten trillion tons, a huge gaping hole where their chest used to be isn't gonna be too pretty - it would be up to whoever struck first, really.
This is in reference to all the wolverine fanboys, all the wolverine haters, and threads like "Wolverine vs. Hercules."
Let me finish with a little bit of an FAQ :
Does Wolverine get hyped up, quite often, because he is popular?
**** YES!
On the other side, though, does he get underated now and again, due to his ridiculous popularity, and perhaps in response to the above overhyping?
Yeah. It happens.
Can Wolverine heal from a skeleton?
No.
Can Wolverine be put down with a simple, everyday, barrage of bullets?
No.
Should 100-tonners be able to one-shot Logan?
Yes.
Do they?
No.
Because of his abilities or because of his popularity?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
FANBOY!
That wasn't a question, get over yourself.
HATER!
See above.
And lastly(and controversially as of recent):
Can Wolverine Dodge bullets?
No, but bullets can job to wolverine.
EDIT: Just wanted to apologize for the rough-around-the-edges nature of this, the hastily done feel. Forgive my occasional, probable, incoherence. Thanks for the read! And feel free to put up any brawlers against Logan (assuming they don't have any of the crucial defenses, ), and we'll get some fanboys and some haters in here debating for the next eighty pages or so.
Wolverine as of right now is near completely immune to Telepaths, or if you want to see if as extreme resistance which renders it null against him for the most part.
Secondly he can easily regenerate from a skeleton in seconds, as he did recently when he fought Nitro. Nitro complettely incinerated him, and wolverine fully regenerated in a seconds.
Can wolverine dodge bullets? Yes easily.
Can he and should he be able to take direct and multiple hits from 100+ tonners and thunder claps from a raged hulk at point blank?
Yes as he has shown he can, and has been doing most of his comic career.
What ever happened to "if you can destroy his internal organs or brain, he dies"? He has a healing factor, not regeneration. To me, this means he heals and an ACCELERATED rate, meaning his body goes through mitosis X number of times faster than a human. There are certain places on your body that never heal, and don't grow back, and one of them is your brain.
You don't need to break a skull to destroy a brain. You can from the eye sockets and the from inside the throat, or from the brain repeatedly getting smashed around inside the head. Also, a healing factor should have nothing to do with getting KO'd. Commonly, you're knocked out when the nerve in your jaw gets pinched while taking blows, and you blank out.
Except wolverine's healing factor has changd over the years, and he has shown multiple times he can full regenerate from being nothig but a skeleton in seconds.
That and he heals near instant now, as shown when he took thunder clap at point blank from a raged hulk as he was hit by it, he took no dammage at all.
Not only that, It beckons the question, how can you kill wolverine? We all know that Deadpools regen is superior to wolverines, not to mention he is Immortal. With that in mind, according to wolverines off-the-charts sketchy healing factor showings, what was the point of giving deadpool immortality?
That alone is enough merit to confirm wolverine regenerateing from a skeleton as pure absurdity in its highest form.
Not really, the MGH thing would be pretty cool I reckon Everyone just jumped to the conclusion they had uber-over powered him again but all should be explained hopefully
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. Should he be knocked out by a few randomly placed on his torso? Not likely. His healing factor CAN be overloaded, though, and this has happened a few times. In fact, Wolverine would EASILY be taken down through dismemberment if not for his second defense. 
), and we'll get some fanboys and some haters in here debating for the next eighty pages or so. 
Oct 6th, 2006 09:08 PM
Everyone just jumped to the conclusion they had uber-over powered him again but all should be explained hopefully 
