Yeah I was gonna say. I was thinking about some of your eveidence to say that HUlk can cope with supes speed.
Theres the example of him moving his hand at high speed, that could be an example that could indicate this, but on hindisght eventhough he has fought characters with faster than light speed, they dont alwyas fight at that speed eg Glad fought but on one ocassion dindt use his speed and lost.
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Glads did use his speed to drag Hulk into outer space so that Gladiator would have the advantage, but Hulk thunderclapped his ears, causing them both to fall to the ground where the battle resumed. Gladiator has been shown on-panel to use his speed during his fights when he was attempting to hit the illusion of Reed Richards - you see Gladiator through innumerable punches in the air.
Yeah but to be fair its not the same as actually speedblitzing him with punches. We know Hulk is fast and coule react to being dragged into outer space but it seem speed blitzing punches might be alot harder. IMO.
Yes but he doesnt do it all the time. Yes thats an example where he did do it , it seems in some fights he simply doesnt, so to assume he does it everytime seems not be fair.
By the way im not trying to be a pain. I was just thinking other some of your arguments and would like to be inclined that Hulk can cope with speed but not neccesairly because he has fought Glads. For example it could be argued when Hulk fought Sentrey, Sentry was not punching at full speed..but there is one particular incident where Sentry flys at him and Hulk manages to punch him. Dont know what speed he was going at but Sentry must have been going pretty fast.
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And, even as a sham, while talking and pontificating, Sentry was beating the Hulk, had him on his knees until his pals saved him. Sentry did nothing but go punch for punch with WWH while he talked.
WWH did nothing special. Oh, he did bleed more than ANY other incarnation of Hulk. That's true.
Gladiator has Superman-powers, but he is a terrible fighter, and should not be confused with Superman at all.
Your claim for a relatively new character like Sentry being a sham is your opinon. He lacks feats....even Gladiator has more feats.
Sentry still isn't even fully aware of all of his own abilities yet.
Just because Hulk has High Durability and Insane Healing doesnt mean he doesn't bleed.
for the record, Superman has lost gallons of blood himself...Whats your point?
Going toe to toe ALONE with WWHulk...is a deathwish.
Oh, really?
Wrong.
Sentry is aware enough to constantly blather about the power of a "million exploding suns". Excuse me. I farted.
I am not using opinion. I am looking at the panels.
You obviously don't understand the concept of "Durability". It has nothing to do with healing. It means resistance to initial damage.
For instance, if you were to go through ALL Marvel books, and add up times that Wonder Man has bled, with the times that Hulk has bled, you would see a case for the fact that Wonder Man is more durable.
If you did the same for Superman and WWH, you would see that it was EXTREMELY easy to hurt WWH compared to Supes.
THAT is an important factor when gaging this match, because Superman can do a lot of damage before WWH can heal.
I am not a Superman fanboy, I am just stating facts.
uh..ok....Back to what I said, Superman has far more feats than Glad and Sentry combined, Sentry being the newest of the 3....and having the least developed and established powerset.
Superman can do a lot of damage very fast, but at the expense of his own endurance...and Hulk will deal some of his own at that range....all the while actually getting stronger and more powerful.
...And again, the fact that comic characters of this level bleed has no relevance to anything discussed here. So what Hulk bleeds, Superman Bleeds, etc. Wolverine has shed enough blood to keep Drac happy for months, yet his bleeding has 0 relevance to his durability, fighting ability, or damage potential. Again...whats your point?
Durability also has to do with the knockout factor. Meaning how much damage does it actually take to put a character down.
In Hulk's case, his knockout factor is much higher than his bleed factor. Sure the Thing can give him a bloody lip, but can he knock him out? Hell no. Same thing goes for Dr. Strange / Zom, he was blowing a hole through Hulk's midsection but Hulk healed it back in a couple pages. Sentry was blowing a hole through Hulk's shoulder with his energy projections (which everybody underplays during their fight) and Hulk healed it within a panel or two at most.
There was no single entity on Marvel Earth that was able to knock out WWH during the WWH saga, with the exception of after Hulk had mutated back to his old Grey Hulk phase.
So just because Hulk gets a bloody nose, doesn't mean squat. The Marvel writers do that to make it look like the characters had a chance. If Superman gets hurt internally, it will take him much longer to heal those injuries than the Hulk. Unless Superman can outright kill or knockout the Hulk the only thing he's going to do is make him madder and more strong. If Superman doesn't get the KO over with quickly the fight will swing inevitably into the favor of the Hulk's.
Due to Superman's long ranged attacks, speed, and BFR capabilities, is the only reason Superman would win a majority in this fight.
Put them both up close with limited room to operate and Superman would get devastated.
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