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Beyonder vs. Celestial
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Beyonder vs. Celestial

Pick a single Celestial (any).
This is Post Retcon Beyonder


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Pretty sure the Celestials are above the Post-Retcon Beyonder, as he/she is a manifestation of a Cosmic Cube.


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Post retcon, the one that was defeated by Kubik???

If this is the Beyonder you are thinking of id369 any single Celestial can defeat him.


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Post-Bulls**t I mean post-retcon, any of the celestials would beat him.

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Re: Beyonder vs. Celestial

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Originally posted by id369

Pick a single Celestial (any).
This is Post Retcon Beyonder

Spite.

Especially considering what we just discussed.

Do you though. smile


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How powerful is current Beyonder?


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How powerful is current Beyonder?

He's embodies an entire Universe, where he is Omnipotent (below a Celestial)

He has Multiversal influence, but not in the simultaneous sense,
meaning he was able to cross UniverseS affecting each individually.

Until Eternity and the LT put a stop to that,
and sealed him in his own Universe.


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How is it that Beyonder is at Eternity's level but is below a celestial?


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Originally posted by guy222
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Originally posted by King Kandy

How is it that Beyonder is at Eternity's level but is below a celestial?

Beyonder may be at/or posssibly/slightly above the level of an aspect of Eternity, (single Universe)
but he is no way near Eternity's level. (the infinite Multiverse)

Although single Universes are referred to as Eternity
(them sharing the same consciousness and all)
they are in truth just pieces of the totality.


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So? Even an aspect is above a celestial.


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Originally posted by King Kandy
So? Even an aspect is above a celestial.

Not over 616 Celestials, that's for sure.

Eternity Aspects are above Celestial 616 counter-parts though, that's for sure.
As they should be.

Every Aspect of Eternity is "supposed" to be,
the most powerful entity within the respective Universe they embody.
But as you know, there's always those anomalies of power that surface,
and somehow rise above the Universe they reside in.


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So...

Beyonder > most Celestials? >_>


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Originally posted by Mr Master
Not over 616 Celestials, that's for sure.

Eternity Aspects are above Celestial 616 counter-parts though, that's for sure.
As they should be.

Every Aspect of Eternity is "supposed" to be,
the most powerful entity within the respective Universe they embody.
But as you know, there's always those anomalies of power that surface,
and somehow rise above the Universe they reside in.

Okay, perhaps I should say that the 616 universe aspect is above celestials, and Beyonder is around it's level.


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Originally posted by Mindset
[B]So...

Beyonder > most Celestials? >_>

You know, to be totaly honest, that's the way it should read.
Based on the fact that Post-Retcon Beyonder is atleast equal to an Aspect of Eternity.

Yes, Beyonder should be above alternate Celestials.

Although I prefer to investigate this before making it an official claim that came from me.
Cause Cube beings simply haven't battled alternate Celestials,
so I would have to look into my collection, see what alternates are capable of,
gauge that against what I know Beyonder can do,
and then a sound decision can be made.

But I don't like making claims without proof.

But again, logic makes me agree with you.


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Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay, perhaps I should say that the 616 universe aspect is above celestials,
and Beyonder is around it's level.

Nah we can't say that,
you know 616 Eternity/Infinity posses the power of the Prime Multiverse K.

616 Celestials are far beyond Cube beings.
It's just not in their character to go around crashing Universes,
or altering reality on said scales.
In fact, as we know, Eternity created the Celestials for a prupose,
they literally nurture the Universe with life.

What's interesting is this,
Celestials created Mankind,
and one day,
Mankind will rule everything in the Cosmos.
Hence, the vision of the LT and company bowing to the Stranger,
because the Stranger wanted to become, what Humans were destined to be.

What I would like to furhter investigate is,
who are the Celestials in that Universe Doom passed by?

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Is this where the 616 Celestials are produced?

Or this where all Celestials are born?

Or this a completely separate set of Celestials neither connected to 616 or alternates?


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Can you prove that the non-616 celestials are weaker then the 616 ones?


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Question is The Stranger above Celestial level?


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I like the idea of attempting to iron out comic heirarchies and metaphysics but, much like the abrahamic faiths... there is no essential logic... it's made up by minds just about smart enough to engage us but not enough to make coherent such phenomenally expansive and intricate perpetually expanding and evolving narratives.


k, just wanted to get that out there smile.


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