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tru-marvell
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Earths cosmics vs 4th Host

Okay instead of old man Odin (and the useless Uni-mind) taking on the Celestial 4th host some of earths cosmics has learned of the impending judgement and have banned together to defend the world...

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lets assume they battle out of phase with earth so it's not destroyed.

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At his most powerful I would say Molecule Man would win if he was in fact close to Beyonders power range

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I think all that was dismissed by marvel somehow meaning that the "powers" allowed MM and Beyonder to go through all that stuff when in fact they were not the most powerful beings in the Omniverse but just a split cosmic cube...

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Jun 18th, 2008 09:09 PM

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Cosmic cubes are below Celestials, much less incomplete ones. The Celestials will win.

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Agreed

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Originally posted by King Kandy

Cosmic cubes are below Celestials, much less incomplete ones.

The Celestials will win.

Molecule Man and Beyonder became a complete Cube being. (Kosmos)

Molecule Man separated from that merger,
and is far above Cube beings.

Beyonder remained a Cube being,
but his power has either increased as well, or it's been retconned. (upgraded)

Molecule Man is above Celestials.

Also,

Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

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Celestials get erased from existence.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Molecule Man and Beyonder became a complete Cube being. (Kosmos)

Molecule Man separated from that merger,
and is far above Cube beings.

Beyonder remained a Cube being,
but his power has either increased as well, or it's been retconned. (upgraded)

Molecule Man is above Celestials.

Also,

Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

Nah, Molecule Man isn't any stronger then a cube being... their power levels are equal but it's MM's human element that makes him capable of greater feats. On the other hand the Celestials are genuinely more powerful then MM or a cube being. As for Korvac erasing the host, wasn't that the What If? Korvac and not the canon one?

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What If

Also Cap and Sharon Carter defeated Korvac, I believe

Celestials FTW

My opinion

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Nah, Molecule Man isn't any stronger then a cube being...
their power levels are equal but it's MM's human element that makes him capable of greater feats.

MM is far more poweful than Cube beings,
do I have to pull out the scans of him stomping one?

His human element gives him unlimited potential, this is true,
but it's a potential that has already surpassed the power of Cube beings.

So in the end, he is in fact stronger.

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On the other hand the Celestials are genuinely more powerful then MM
or a cube being.

Really?

What MM did during his battle with Beyonder is beyond a Celestial's power, save Scathan.

They warped reality within realities across the Omniverse.

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As for Korvac erasing the host, wasn't that the What If?
Korvac and not the canon one?

I thought that's who was playing ball here?

If not,
meh, 616 Korvac was able to make subtle alterations across the 616 reality.

That means he was warping Time & Space.

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Also Cap and Sharon Carter defeated Korvac, I believe

No way.

Korvac was the one that allowed himself to ddie,
because he thought his love had died.

Cap and the rest got owned lovely,
and weren't erased because that was never Korvac' intention.

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MM is far more poweful than Cube beings,
do I have to pull out the scans of him stomping one?

His human element gives him unlimited potential, this is true,
but it's a potential that has already surpassed the power of Cube beings.

So in the end, he is in fact stronger.

No. Kubik said that their powers were equal, but MM would win because of his human element. Stated on panel, they have equal amounts of raw power. MM has greater potential though since his humanity is independent of his powers and thus he is better with those powers.

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Really?

What MM did during his battle with Beyonder is beyond a Celestial's power, save Scathan.

They warped reality within realities across the Omniverse.

Well apparently it's not above celestials since the power of cube beings is below that of a celestial. This gives us a hint of just how powerful a Celestial is, it's actually quite a good feat for them.

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I thought that's who was playing ball here?

If not,
meh, 616 Korvac was able to make subtle alterations across the 616 reality.

That means he was warping Time & Space.

We assume all characters are their 616 versions unless otherwise stated, right? As for his alterations, it's a damn good feat but it isn't beyond the Celestials at all.

As for Phoenix I think she once destroyed Arishem's hand and he just regenerated right? Or is my memory flawed?

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X Factor #50

Arishem allowed the world to judge itself

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PR Owen takes this I believe.

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Its prolly Post Retcon Reece

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Molecule Man easily wins

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Originally posted by King Kandy

No. Kubik said that their powers were equal,
but MM would win because of his human element. Stated on panel, they have equal amounts of raw power. MM has greater potential though since his humanity is independent of his powers and thus he is better with those powers.

No. Kubik said theoretically our powers are equal.

Only because they acquired said powers from the same source.

But obviously their powers were not equal,
cause Beyonder got stomped, and nearly erased.

On top of that,
Molecule Man made it clear:

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"My powers have expanded FAR beyond those of nebbish Owen you once defeated,
... Reece spent months thrusting back his limitations,
achieving potentials FAR, FAR greater than yours ...
and with my persona ascendant, that of the true Molecule Man,
I NOW transact on power levels unimaginable even to you"

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Proven with the on panel stomp!

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Originally posted by King Kandy

Well apparently it's not above celestials since the power of cube beings is below that of a celestial.
This gives us a hint of just how powerful a Celestial is,
it's actually quite a good feat for them.

Molecule Man >>> Celestials.

MM is no ordinary Cube being.

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Originally posted by King Kandy

We assume all characters are their 616 versions unless otherwise stated, right? As for his alterations, it's a damn good feat but it isn't beyond the Celestials at all.

Unfortunately no Celestial has ever warped 616.

I also highly doubt, that Celestials can warp 616.

Korvac also had the power to conceal himself from Eternity,
even though he was withIN Eternity.

Could he defeat Eternity?

That's up for debate, not imo though.

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As for Phoenix I think she once destroyed Arishem's hand and he just regenerated right? Or is my memory flawed?

Doesn't matter, Phoenix gets destroyed here fast.

Post-retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the Phoenix Force.

Celestials > Cube beings.

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Jun 19th, 2008 01:37 AM

King Kandy
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Well this seems to be muddled... just where do Owen's powers come from if not from a cube (which is below celestials)?

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Korvac killed and absorbed Arishem and the host with him, easily.

That was a What If. And only after Korvac had absorbed the combined power of Galactus's worldship (power "rivaling Galactus himself"), the In-Betweener, the Stranger, 3 Elders of the Universe, the High Evolutionary, the Shaper of Worlds, and the entire population of Earth.

Not that even that would have been enough to do that to the 4th host, if you ask me...

Jun 19th, 2008 01:09 PM