B-Dub/Smurph have forfeited prep due to missing the deadline. They will only be able to state amalgams and battle tactics. No other pre-battle preparation is allowed.]
Nimrod/Warlock/Hank Pym/Black Box
Elixir
Dr. Mid-Nite
Battle:
Nimrodbox grows planetary in size, Elixir and Dr. Mid-Nite start off either inside or close to them (then go inside them within the first couple seconds as they go immediately to hundreds of feet tall).
They immediately replicate Mr. Terrific's tech, making us invisible to Digi.
They use Black Box's powers while doing so to gain info on all DNA samples collected that are superhuman.
The bounded, shackled centers of consciousness, myriadfold, on every plan of existence (not only in this present universe, limited by the Milky Way, but beyond, into the reaches of space), galaxy beyond galaxy, world beyond world of universes, coming into being out of the timeless pool of the void, busting into life, and like a bubble therewith vanishing: time and time again: lives by the multitude: all suffering: each bounded in the tenuous, tight circle of itself – lashing, killing, hating, and desiring peace beyond victory: these all are the children, the mad figures of the transitory yet inexhaustible, long world dream of the All-Regarding, whose essence is the essence of Emptiness...
- from Hero With a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell
Digi's Writeup (Week 7?)
My Team
- Death's Head II (Minion) (now Minion Prime)
- Machine Man (X-51)
- Storm
- Hawkeye (classic purple costume)
- Rose Tattoo
- Joker
LISTEN TO THE FOLLOWING LINK FIRST (have your sound on fairly high) http://boomp3.com/listen/c297as4wf_m/writeup5
It may not load the first time. Make sure it works, then listen prior to reading anything. Thanks. The accompanying scans/writeup is below.
Amalgamations:
Minion assimilates Rose and Hawkeye
Machine Man + Joker
Storm
Minion takes Hawkeye's equipment, including all of his trick arrows, from his personal collection as well as any specialty ones he keeps for different occasions. More on this later.
Team Jobs
Brief descriptions of characters and outlines of "jobs" in battle.
Prime Time
For those of you who may be new to my matches, I built a team-busting character in Minion, now Minion Prime. See, he can assimilate the minds and souls of victims, which he then houses within himself in a single hive-mind personality, controlled by Death’s Head, who is the controlling personality of the group. I assimilated Mary Marvel, Osiris, and Freddy Freeman (Cpt. Marvel Jr.), and their souls are all I need to activate their power. So with their new body being Minion's, he's now roughly as powerful as Cpt. Marvel himself (or more so). I also assimilated Karate Kid's mind, adding his mind-numbing skill to the equation.
And I keep all of this, due to the information retention rule for this tournament.
I proved all of this with truckloads of scans on each and every point, and illadelph approved every step of it as legal. Three teams tried to debunk it, all failed. It's airtight. If Blair/Smurph feel the need to try, I'll be happy to show them why they're wrong.
A full rundown of his main powers: DHII's powers: His own, Cpt. Marvel Jr., Mary Marvel, Osiris, Mner, Rose Skill: Karate Kid, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Judomaster, Oracle Additional Minds (no real skill/power here, but useful for knowledge): Sabertooth, Shrinking Violet, Starfire, Jean Grey, Electro, Abomination, Storm, Lex Luthor, Emma Frost, Miss Martian
And I haven't even started with the other components of Minion. Imagine Cpt. Marvel but with the best martial arts skills in all of comics, and calculative abilities that make supercomputers look mundane. Then you'd be close.
It's legal. It's proven (more in the first few posts to justify it fully). He's a legit planet-buster, and at this point he could probably solo this match. Fortunately, I have 2 others to help me.
So I shrink their grower back down to size. Now I have a team-busting herald, the most versatile robot in the fight (MM, and yes I went there) and Storm (see below). I don't care how good Nimrod is (or whoever is growing). He's boned.
She does this from a distance, however, and with her pressure-dome forcefield in affect. My other two are on the front lines.
Machine Man's "Job"
They seem to be fond of some sort of black hole device with Nimrod, who they seem to think can build anything at all, despite not being an accomplished technomorph. No matter, since Warlock may or may not be able to fill that need admirably (though it really puts their eggs in one basket). But of course, the "we build every piece of tech we can think of strategy" is shot to sh*t as soon as I shrink them, since they won't retain the mass needed to build, well, anything.
So the black hole will have no affect on us. Machine Man will also be handy if they try a technopathy route, or utilize something more exotic like EM Pulses, telepathy, or phasing. But I'll wait and see with those.
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He's also meshed with Joker, and thus has Joker gas.
Basically, using it can throw a monkey wrench into whatever plans they have. We have Midnighter analyzing the battle for us. They'll have incoherent laughing hyenas after a few moments. Might not work on Nimrod, but that's only 1 of 3.
The Battle
Minion shrinks Nimrod, or whoever they have made bigger. Their build-a-tech strategy is blown to hell. Storm throws an electrical storm at, around, and inside of our opponents, then cuts off the air for any organic foes who need to breath. Machine Man negates gravity around us, Minion smashes everything with planet-busting strength and the best fighting skill in comic-dom, and we'll adapt to anything funky they try with our own versatility (which is formidable and diverse).
Ending
- Minion can solo most matches, and nothing they do will keep up with me. With Cpt. Marvel+ strength, speed, and durability, combined with KK's skill, MN'ers calculative ability, and Minion's inherent powers, Minion Prime is now a legit High Herald planet-buster.
- We're well prepared for telepathy, technopathy, or phasing. I'll talk about this more only if I need to. Suffice it to say I planned for them just in case.
- Minion's assimilations for the match (at the end of the match): Nimrod, Storm
- For the sake of any new judges, I have a full explanation of Minion Prime coming up in my first couple posts. Thank you for reading.
With the match ending Sunday, there's no chance of using all 10 posts. So I'll burn my first one now, despite the fact that they gave me next to nothing to work with in their writeup.
Minion, In Brief
Delph, V, and Bada have all judged in the Minion Prime era, so I won't waste your time with my post of explanation about him. If Blair/Smurph raise new objections, I'll address them. Otherwise, you've all seen the multiple scans confirming his assimilation of souls as well as minds, and the scans that show how the Marvel's powers operate because of the person, the being, the soul, not the host body.
I may post them occasionally for reference later on, just to jog your memory.
This was one of the only remaining points of the plan that I hadn't proven beyond a doubt. Now it is.
Reactions to their writeup
- They grew. I shrunk them with Hawkeye's gear. Woot.
- Their size. Planet sized? Really? Proof? Hank maxes out at about 60 feet, yes? Even with the increase in strength from the amalgamation, saying it would increase to planet size is patently ridiculous. Anyway, they just got shrunk.
- Which also damns their tech-building. How do you build "every" piece of tech (which is a lazy way of saying they didn't have a concrete plan) when you're normal-sized? You don't.
- Let's see, the only potentially useful thing they mentioned was making themselves invisible to me using Mr. T's powers. This doesn't apply to Storm, and Minion is a cyborg: only half machine. He was originally constructed from a human corpse, so much of him is still human, despite his odd appearance. I can produce scans confirming that if needed, but it's not hidden knowledge about him or anything. So at best they'll be tricky to see, but not totally invisible.
- They did pretty much nothing with anyone but Nimrod. It was obviously thrown together quickly, but by the writeup's look, this is a 3-on-1 with Elixir and Midnight picking their noses.
- Minion's still the most powerful amalgam/character in this tourney by a lot. Even if I hadn't shrunk you, I'd be ripping your head off in the opening moments of the fight. Herald-level strength combined with the greatest MA skill in comics will do that. And I'll always take the best course of action, because I can analyze you with MNer's abilities and perform the optimal maneuver to win. http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m7yr2.jpg
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Looking forward to the playoffs gents. I trust it will be more of a challenge than this.
I've talked to Delph personally, he says he's basically told Digi that it's up to Digi to defend the holes in his logic.
I'm not gonna even bother arguing the points on why he wouldn't have the Marvel's power and on why his powers wouldn't add up to Captain Marvel (lulz).
But this is the key point, which I've cleared with Delph, who wants a convincing argument to back up the point. So, here I go.
Digi's grand idea is to build a team wrecker character by going from week to week absorbing the powers of various characters, and claiming that he gets to keep them.
His claim relies on League Combat Rule #8:
But, tell me judges, do you believe that in saying "No exceptions. No loopholes." Delph REALLY meant "oh, btw, you can bring souls along with you."
A SOUL is not, by any definition, comprised of solely memories and experience.
He wants power granted by the wizard Shazam to the Marvel family, and in order to keep this from match to match, he claims it falls under information retention.
But did Shazam grant his power to a bunch of memories?
Could a telepath copy all the experiences of the Marvel family, and now be able to call down the thunderbolt to gain their power?
Could I read a bio on Superman, and suddenly have his strength and speed?
Apparently I could, as long as I knew his experiences. Because that's all that Digi's doing, and yet claiming that by knowing those memories and experiences, he now has the fortitude of high heralds.
If you're sensible enough to realize that, while this trick may have worked in the initial battle where he first got the soul, it will not carry from battle to battle, then he loses. Plain and simple. Blair and I have used the same trick that Digi did, but we've only done it with info as we knew our limits. Consequentially, we now have the memories of Reed and Tony and Michael Holt- enough to build anything they've ever made or even thought of making. This has never even been contested because, unlike Digi's, though ours is just as powerful, it is actually airtight.
The obvious response from Digi would be to claim that they're not actually souls that Minion keeps. But, as I pointed out, if that were true, he wouldn't get the Marvel's power.
And then there's his own arguments proving that these are souls:
"Does data have a will of its own? Do synapse structures and copied brain patterns have a desire to escape? No. People do. Souls do." - Digimark007
His own words, folks. This is not data that he can retain from match to match, and his "Minion Prime" is simply a faux threat.
I'll move on to why Digi's defenses are hopelessly overpowered next post.
She's toying with Hawkeye there... grabbing his arrows from the air, and breaking them while they're in flight. He comments on how he can't possibly hit her.
So, lolz @ your arrow. It wouldn't hit Mantis alone. But don't forget that we also have about a thousand different types of tech defenses- phasing, teleportation, omnidirectional energy shields, etc.
So not only would your big "answer" to Nimrod be completely ineffective if it did hit, it had absolutely no chance of hitting. Nimrod's reactions have proven to be some of the best in the tourney- he locates and develops character-specific weapons in between panels. He countered Kitty's phasing as soon as she touched him.
How hard do you think it will be for him to counter an arrow?
Furthermore, even if you do hit us, we can just regrow the lost distance in seconds. You're hitting us with Pym Particles? We have Hank Pym himself.
Finally, you're firing through the eyes of Minion, but we've used Mr. Terrific's tech to make ourselves invisible to you. Minion is a robot, after all, and uses tech to see. We assimilated Mr. Terrific's tech, and all his tech knowledge in a previous match, and have used it to be completely undetectable to technology in previous matches.
Invisible to Technology
The T-Mask also allows him to be invisible to all technology and forms of electronic detection
So, you see, Minion would never have a hope of being able to target us, much less hit us with an arrow.
Completely ineffective.
Lulz.
Storm = small fry.
We're going to be planetary in size. She'd have to struggle to overload a Nimrod that was normal sized- the New X-Men only managed because they attacked a machine within Nimrod that Nimrod doesn't even have access to for the tourney. And they had to pour on electricity. And, again, this was a normal-sized Nimrod.
Our Nimlockbox is gonna be thousands of feet tall very fast. Is she going to overload that? Not a chance.
Furthermore, keep in mind that Nimrod alone could one-shot her...
-Develops levitation, +Hulk strength and a disintegrator beam.
-Super magnetism
-Super sensors, teleporter tracker, forcefield
-High frequency beam, plasma bolt, energy shield that he develops to counter/turn off Kitty's phasing
-Psionic inhibitor field, super durability
-Synapse dislocuter
-Super healing, teleportation
Notice, in particular, the Synapse Dislocuter and the High Frequency Sonics that he used against Juggernaut. Those one-shotted Juggernaut- imagine what they'd do to Storm?
And this is only Nimrod's tech. We have access to all of Reed and Tony and Mr. Terrific's tech, thanks to assimilating their knowledge in previous matches. Digi's already conceded that with Nimrod and Warlock, we can make any tech that we need, provided we have the size. We have all those pieces together in one amalgam. Which means we can make tech like this:
Does Storm have better energy output than Magneto?
We can make as much of this tech as we please. And this is all Reed's stuff. I haven't even touched on how we have access to every Ironman suit ever created, or the Livewires tech that we got last battle.
I've only focussed on Storm, but keep in mind we can make hundreds or thousands of each of these items. We can grow as much as we please.
Where has X-51 countered gravity on the level of a BLACK HOLE?
Are you serious in thinking that you've drafted a high meta character that can counter/close/whatever black holes? r u srs?
For judges reference, the black hole warhead that we're firing off at the beginning that will destroy the entire opposing team (it's still tech from our body, so they still can't see it) is this:
X-51 has countered gravity, on what scale? The most that he has in Digi's scans is countering earth gravity for an object maybe as big as a car.
This leads him to believe he can negate a black hole that can, if we so choose, cover the entire battlefield.
We wouldn't have it cover the entire battlefield, as we'd be in the blast zone, but we could still fire off a smaller black hole around even just Minion, Storm or X-51.
Point being, X-51 has never been shown to counter gravity on this scale over this large of an area.
Digi is hopelessly extrapolating on some minor captions because he knows this is yet another option that we can use to completely demolish his team.
X-51 is completely ineffective.
lulz. Nimrod and Warlock are robots and thus immune. We're also planetary in size, so they wouldn't have near enough gas to effect us.
The only people it could effect are inside Nimlockbox.
Joker is completely ineffective.
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There we have it. Digi's hopelessly overpowered, outmatched and only has incredibly feeble defenses in proportion to the power output we're offering.
No. Ultimate Hank Pym tops out at just below 60 feet. But 616 Hank Pym, who we have, caps out at 300 feet. Throw in the fact that Nimrod is much bigger than Hank, and it would cap out at about 500 feet. Throw in Nimrod's Cl. 100 strength, the fact that his integral structure holds up much better than human anatomy, and we have much, much larger than 500 feet.
But we're also amalgamated with Warlock, who on his own has grown to immeasurable levels. His anatomy allows him to be any size he wishes; there's even a rumor of a planetary-size feat for him. What all of this means is that we have Warlock's anatomy, which is basically a less durable Plastic Man, so we can grow to any size we wish with Hank's powers, increasing our energy reserves as we go, and know that we can hold up.
So, yeah, we grow planetary in size.
Batman could barely see Michael with simple night vision lenses.
You're more than 1/2 robot, and his eyes certainly aren't human, so what he came from is moot anyways.
This match actually ended at midnight last night, so the 2 posts made by Digi today are after the gun and will be disregarded (for what it's worth at this point).
Bada, please edit Digi's posts and insert pictures of Vida Guerra.
If this needs to be deleted, so be it. It's not debate, but only the rulings delph has made on my plan. I wanted them to be posted in one place because of all the recent controversy.
If this needs to be deleted, I'll happily comply. I'll be posting a copy in the discussion thread as well at some point.
From PMs:
His reply:
From talks with Charlotte:
And from earlier today, in discussion:
He leaves only the "logistics" which are whether it would actually work or not. All judges have seen the relevant points of that and can determine for themselves.
I don't care about this match in particular, but I don't want votes being made with false information. Again, this is only pertinent rulings, not debate, though I understand if it needs to be deleted.
I'd ask all discussion to be taken to the discussion thread, not this thread.
Note, judges, that Delph is giving his personal definition of a soul, and saying that by that definition, Digi's plan would be legal, but wouldn't necessarily work.
On the other hand, I believe Delph means to leave it open to interpretation whether your personal definition of a soul defines the plan as legal or illegal. Delph can confirm or correct this when he gets a chance, but, last I checked on the matter, I believe he intended to leave it up to judges' opinions.
He's still allowing no more than memories or experience to pass on, so it's up for judges to decide whether:
a) a soul is more than that
and
b) if only having memories/experience would allow Digi's plan to work
again, this is all my interpretation, but a lot of it is me paraphrasing my conversation with Delph last night.
I've requested another formal ruling to cut through the ambiguity that has been caused by Smurph's and my interpretations of the rule. I will post it when it comes in.
Where we got caught up was that Smurph thought that delph's definition of a soul invalidated my use of them. It does not, since delph is saying by his definition of souls that he considers them part of "information" (experiences, memories, personality, etc.) and not a separate substance from those things. Minion's scans use the word souls, but they also often use such terms as memory, instincts, etc. so we don't really know if Marvel is making a distinction between the two or treating them as one entity. Delph's ruling, then, is all we have to go off of.
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My apologies for the heated debate, Smurph. It never should've reached the levels it did, for whatever reasons, and I'd like to extend my apologies for any of it that may have been my fault.
Therefore, it is still for the judges to decide whether those "souls" (memories, thoughts and nothing more) would give Digi the power he claims they will.
Right. Whether or not the souls would allow me their power. Very few scans of evidence were posted in this match for Minion's assimilation, but as long as the judges haven't changed for this week, they've seen them all before.
I'm not sure when votes are coming in, but there's not a huge rush, especially since playoffs seeds won't be determined until we get this week's results.
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