(u think this is crazy thread? well its meant to be crazy so THERE!)
Lord of Nightmares (from the slayer verse) : it's "omnipotent omniscient omnipresent". supposedly creates entire megaverses just by sneezing
vs
pre-retcon beyonder - supposed to be "beyond all creation" (whatever the hell that means - I mean he was in Marvel so he has to be part of a Marvel-something right? and his universe & race exists so it was created by something/someone right? eh, whatever)
the thing with preretcon beyonder is...there's many like him, right ? he was suppose to be part of a race of omnipotent folx (the beyonders) so he's not unique...so that means someone unique must have made him and the others...but if it's not TOAA (since he's outside the multiverse and TOAA is multiversal only) then who is it ??? they never once spoke of it iirc
beyonder was the beyond universe. He was everything OUTSIDE of marvel multiverse. and this universe was many times larger than the the marvel Multiverse combined.
Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. It was said that she is the spark of creation. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember.
Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does not have the feats to compete.
Also the Giga Slave the power of LON could not completely kill Darkstar
so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)
is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that
Originally? Ore retcon wasn't a race I believe it as retconned to say he came from a race... It was just the beyonder... And to explain beyonder imagine the
Entirety of marvel or even DC if you will... Multiply that by a few million... And that represented beyonder...
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
(so basically he was the "real one above all" ? )
that's odd - he only appeared in Marvel comics there would've been some cameos in Slayers & DC & Image
he was a marvel construct... but... in the sense that marvel and dc multiverse are both about "equal" in terms of what they represent...
marvel wrote beyonder to represent the idea that he was millions of times larger than what marvel represented... hence since marvel was supposedly equal to dc... beyonder would have been millions of times larger then dc.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
larger but without including DC or the other trademarks (it only include marvel)
btw was it said that classic beyonder was one of his kind? iirc they said he was part of a race of beings all like him that inhabit realm of beyonders...???
PR Beyonder was NOT omnipotent. His power was even measured in finite levels - "millions of times greater than etc." and he was able to give half of it to Dazzler.
LoN is again a bit sketchy since the novels seem to imply she has limitations on chanelling her full power
they give very few specs on LoN's power (basically it's the god of slayers but it's an evil god) but from the little they say it's like he farts entire multiverses in his sleep -_-
Last edited by SoulDevourer on Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Does it matter if the novels, manga or anime imply limitations on her? She still doesn't have the feats to be up there with the Beyonder.
It was more like of a figure of speech--just as the a drop in the ocean meataphor. It was also said that Beyonder expanded his universe making it infinitely greater than the previously existing multiverse of Marvel.
And the author outright said in the interview that he was omnipotent, like god before there was a gensis.
Interviews are a more efficiant source than misleading panels.
No, just no. Go back to your given facts when analyzing new material.
5 time-lines, four "universes" --> four multiverses, a coherent idea.
- But new material confirmes that there are a infinte amoutn of universes.
5 time-lines, an infinite amount of universes --> one multiverse.
I severely doubted that the worlds were complete "universes" at all as they are as small islands on pillars in the sea of chaos (yes, the Slayers world is flat, not a sphere-shaped planet).
Last edited by Astner on Dec 9th, 2008 at 06:00 PM
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Pee-retcon Beyonder vs Lord of Nightmares
Dec 9th, 2008 01:12 AM
they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that
