Personally I think Psionic is more broken. It is both scientific, and mystical at the same time. I classify it as Paranormal Phenomena. Which leads to my second observation. Psionic in it of itself has no define limits.
Psionics are mans ability to either attack a mans mind with raw psychic force or the more accessible astral manipulation.
Magic is primal spells created by Ancient entities since the dawn of time. To harness these spells means favor by those entities. This includes Shamanistic magic which needs favor from things like nature and animal deities.
The connection of the two is Astral Projection.
Magic Wins .......classic Strange is proof of that.
I would like to clarify that when I mention psionic, I don’t just mean jut telepathy and telekinesis. But Psionic in general. Let me carry on my observation.
A classical mage would relay on rituals, or incantations to open a channel. Those Channel’s may vary well be from spiritual or outwardly dimensional planes. But the fact reminds that a series of magical rhymes, and words are needed to collect that power from those channels, in order to execute said incantation.
However the average Psi is not hindered by such manner. All that’s needed to carry out a similar feat, is the know how to wield ambient psi energy. The execution itself is instant, if its backed by the know how + sufficient power given that psi is mostly executed by thought alone.
Both abilities are all over the place, in terms of how they are portrayed from comic to comic. That said, it's nigh-impossible to say which one is more powerful/reliable, overall.
However, it should be mentioned that not all magic users need to recite specific charms or incantations for their magic to be operable. Many of them simply need to think on something for it to happen (much how higher-level psi characters operate.)
I've always considered Science, Psionics and Magic to all be connected universally in a theosophical kind of way.
Xavier could astral travel and fight.
Strange could astral travel and fight.
And soon Hank Pym will too after his little conversation with Eternity.
I don’t think you can place an age on Psi. Like magic, Psi has existed since the dawn of time. The moment sentience emerged from the universe, a collective conscious was formed, and expanded as new intelligent life forms come about.
A perfect example is the Phoenix Force in Marvel. And how she safe guarded the collective conscious from previous dieing universe to ensure the well spring in the new universe. Or something along those lines.
You see here is the problem, with a statement like that.
Once you start moving up the latter past the Herald Class, it becomes a pointless argument. You then reach a ground where Magical being can manipulate reality like Malebolgia or King Spawn. Or Psi that can manipulate energy at a quantum level, and in turn rewrite the laws of the universe (reality warp) like Akira or Tetsuo.
Look at characters like Tetsou who can produce energies to create minture big bangs, or Onslaught that can channels and fuels his psi powers from the collective conscious through the astral plane.
Think about it you have characters that can produce their own energy, manipulate ambient energy, or channel psi energy from a limitless source.
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Off the top of my head, there seems to be far more uber magical threats than psionic ones. I mean, on the Psionic side you've got Dark Phoenix and Onslaught. Anyone else spring to mind as decidedly overpowered?
On the magical side you've got things like HoM Wanda, Zom, Classic Strange, Odin could qualify, etc.
Magic seems more broken. Mystical energy > mental energy.
I think hyperstorm is psionic. A lot of people have less obvious psionic powers other than TK and TP, many reality warpers included
Above herald level, if we take marvel as an exemple, who would the strongest psionic entity be? Phoenyx? maybe eternity? the strongest magical things would be chaos and order. I think E>C&O>P (unless it's the moment of the universe's death/rebirthg then P would be strongest of all). Of course since eternity is more than just psionics it might not be fair to use him.
The Watchers abilites have been attributed as psionic nature as well.
Its like I mentioned earlier, if we go by the amount of characters I agree that magic wins in that department. But it does not necessarily address the topic.
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...Wasn't it their cosmic awareness that was attributed to enhanced mental abilities? Or was it their CA and their power in general? I'm getting that from the numerous 'Guide to the Marvel Universe' they used to put inside of various Thor and SS annuals towards the back.
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