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Lucifer & Michael vs Scathan

Who wins?

Apr 11th, 2010 10:04 PM

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Team in a stomp of rapefest proportions.

Either could solo.

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Team in a stomp of rapefest proportions.

Either could solo.

agreed

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I can understand Michael+Lucifer beating him. We have only seen Scathan once. He did what he did, PIS or not. I don't know why PIS, since we only saw him once. Anyway, what he did, far surpasses anything Lucifer or Michael did individually (or even together). Only way is truly them combining and beating him (since it's said their power combines the power of The Presence, which I never bought, and that is only in range, they are still not powerful as The Presence).
If them combined, depends on situation. On their own they lose to Scathan.

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Scathan wins.

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Either one on team 1 wins by himself.

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I can understand Michael+Lucifer beating him. We have only seen Scathan once. He did what he did, PIS or not. I don't know why PIS, since we only saw him once. Anyway, what he did, far surpasses anything Lucifer or Michael did individually (or even together). Only way is truly them combining and beating him (since it's said their power combines the power of The Presence, which I never bought, and that is only in range, they are still not powerful as The Presence).
If them combined, depends on situation. On their own they lose to Scathan.

Basically, it's PIS because this is the first and only instance we have of a Celestial being stronger than the Living Tribunal, and it's not explained how he could be that powerful in the story. So we have to resort to speculations like "The Celestials have an artifact stronger than LT", or "TOOA empowered Scathan".

Prior to Scathan, the only character naturally stronger than LT (Possibly) is the pre retcon beyonder, and that's explained by his status of existing outside of the normal MU, and not having to abide by their rules in the cosmic hierarchy.

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Team in a stomp of rapefest proportions.

Either could solo.

Assuming Scathan isn't normally more powerful than LT, agreed.

Although for the record, I do believe Michael or Lucifer alone could at least challenge LT.

Apr 12th, 2010 05:29 PM

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Scans of all three please.

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Scans of all three please.

Of just the characters, or the feats?

I don't have any scans on me, but you can try a Google image search. Just type in something like Vertigo, Lucifer, or Vertigo Michael, and maybe Celestial Scathan

Apr 12th, 2010 06:14 PM

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Lucifer or Michael solo.

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Lucifer & Michael.

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Lucifer or Michael wins

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scathan is a not 616 universe chracter so he is not cannon to the 616 universe, he is cannon to the living tribunal though.

anyways i heard that he is the sum total of all the celestials including every alternate universe celestials

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scathan is a not 616 universe chracter so he is not cannon to the 616 universe, he is cannon to the living tribunal though.

anyways i heard that he is the sum total of all the celestials including every alternate universe celestials

Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.

He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?

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Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.

He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?

lucifer created the vertigo multiverse

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Yo.

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Protege was a threat to whole MU, not only 616 universe. Scathan saved all realities including 616, so it doesn't matter from where or when he was.

He alone stopped Protege, while Living Tribunal + others couldn't. So how or when exactly did Michael or Lucifer shown that kind of power?

all Scathan did was blind Protege; it aint like he beat him in a power battle.

and if the kid was *really* more powerful than LT, then I would think he'd simply break free from the judgement he was given since IIRC we never saw him depowered or anything.......

as for the topic, I think its debateable, but Id see Luc letting Mike do all of the hard work, so as to figure a way to outsmart Scathan *somehow* afterward.

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Yo.

all Scathan did was blind Protege; it aint like he beat him in a power battle.

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lucifer and micheal stomp

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you know actually theres a good explanation on this,

the tribunal that was with protege was retconned to be just a mere manifestation mbody the tribunal sent.
and all scathan did was judge against here and then living tribunal agreed absorbed him into himself.

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