But before anyone says spite against the Chaos King because he only destroyed one Universe(Despite the fact mentioned by Amadeus Cho that he destroyed 98.76% of the Multiverse).I'll show some scan from Defenders Vol 3 #3.
With a shift in the cosmic axis and with some help from his sister Umar, Dormammu defeats 616 Eternity.
But what is this?Dormammu states "Worlds within Worlds" ,"Dimensions folding into themselves!" ,"Entire Universes being born and collapsing into ruin!" ,"And yet I sense that all this--is but the merest fraction of what Eternity is!" Could it be 616 Eternity as an Aspect, still represents Multi-Eternity?Oh wait!Its true!Its damn true!
Remember Dormammu plans to detonate the Heart of Eternity to trigger a "Creation Event".He even describes "Eternal Nothingness and Oceanic Void."He recreates the Multiverse in his own image known as the "Dormammuverse".
Oceanic Void and Eternal nothingness?Doesn't that remind as of someone?Oh yeah! The Chaos King!Chaos King is Multiversal and is the Void in the beginning.Defenders Vol 3 #3 proves that.
I don't care who people pick here.Anti-Monitor is my 1 of my favorite villains and I'm a villain type of guy.My number 1 favorite villain is Dormammu.Chaos King comes in 5th.
by displayed power on panel, I gotta go with the multiversal walking plot device COIE AM here. he's simply more impressive in COIE than Chaos King in CW
Chaos King got BFR to a another universe and settle there..and he was only shown to destroy 616 reality and its sub dimension..not so multiversal..Anti Monitor was actually shown to destroy alternate reality..that is real multiversal power..
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
On the contrary.Dormammu never expected to see Universes inside 616 Eternity.And he only expected to reshape only the 616 Universe after defeating 616 Eternity and taking his power.When he got inside 616 Eternity, he witnessed Dimensions and Universes(Plural form of Universe indicating more than one Universe).Dormammu even said this is but a mere fraction of what Eternity is.As seen here.
This reinforces my statement that 616 Eternity as an aspect can still represent Multi-Eternity/True Eternity.And I remember Abraxas chained up in the heart of Multi-Eternity.And Dormammu describes Multi-Eternity's heart as an Oceanic Void of Eternal Nothingness(further reinforcing Fred Van Lente's description of what the Chaos King represents).
I give you a for giving an effort on reading the scans.Though I can't say anything on how you interpreted it.I can't say anything about the other people who posted here.Either they already decided w/o reading the scans or simply they debate out of hatred.Oh well, everybody is a fanboy.One way or another I guess
I don't think this really counts as an argument - he was tricked into absorbing the Continuum universe and thought he had absorbed all of reality, true, but if his goal was to turn everything into nothing, then scale couldn't really be judged. After all, how do you have nothing and then more nothing? As long as he couldn't sense that other universes and dimensions still existed, he had no reason to doubt he had accomplished his goal.
@endless mike: the argument that he would have absorbed the entire multiverse is rather moot if the guy can't tell the difference between the actual multiverse and a pocket universe.
@igniz: what is shown on panel as being done by the chaos king is nothing compared to what the antimonitor did. Pull up the vague writer references you want. It wasn't verified on panel.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
He couldn't tell the difference because he had absorbed every other universe already and he didn't know about the Continuum universe, after he absorbed it he couldn't sense anything but nothingness, you can't tell scale if everything is nothing
You realize then that Hercules restored "everything" and for your argument to be true that makes Hercules multiversal level at the point where he defeated chaos king... Even though Athena compared him to Zeus...
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
marvel didn't need the chaos king to kill off universes, and he really had a minute impact across the scope of the marvel universe... Worst cross-over in history
Actually for me the worst are marvel zombies... The idea that you can defeat/devour or infect galactus... WTF.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
This is true.Some people debate by using feats.Some debate by using the nature of the Characters.Some debate by lowballing.Feats are sometimes not a good way of debating.One example is Hulk vs Doomsady.Hulk has more appearances and has lots of strength feats compared to Doomsday.Does that result in an auto win?A lot of Doomsday fans will disagree and will use the nature of what Doomsday is.They'll say Doomsday will own Hulk because he lacks internal organs etc.I'm inclined to agree with some of the logic Doomsday fans throw.I did admit I'm a villain type of guy.But I could also Hulk could beat Doomsday through BFR if it is allowed.Current DD, No way Hulk can beat him.
Again most villains end up being defeated through plot device.If you want to disagree with this, then you don't really know how hero-villain routine story workout.For the Chaos King, it was because he absorbed too much too quickly, he ended up being blinded by his own darkness.
Alright wiseguy.At times feat matters.At times its the nature of the character which Endless Mike pointed out.I tried being nice.You disagree The Chaos King is the Void in the beginning.Lets start with Thor Annual#10 to prove what FVL and GP stated.This is on Panel.
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Now lets see the on panel description stated in Defenders vol 3 #3
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Dormammu combined all the Universes into one Universe in that story arc using the power of Eternity to trigger a creation event.And he described the Heart of Eternity being an Oceanic Void and Eternal Nothingness(Chaos King as Void in the beginning).Dormammu was only defeated because of his sister Umar's betrayal(another plot device).And Umar restored the Multiverse in that story arc.Now let see Hera's explanation about the Continuum in Assault on new Olympus.
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How about Thrann when he stated the first mover(TOAA) bringing order in the Void,Darkness,and Chaos.
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So they actually used references in past issues of Marvel's history.Remember Sasquatch stating the Chaos King is becoming a Black Hole.
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Here's a trip to Marvel History about the Time Bubble.The Time Bubble phenomena might have been used as reference on how The Chaos King's powers worked.
Now I will admit COIE Anti-Monitor has uber feats.But as pointed out, the Nature of the Character is another thing to take into account.Anti-Monitor as I pointed out is one of my favorite villains.So no favoritism in my part.I just showed the scans to clear some misconception and to prove CK is the void in the beginning and as a dark half of true Eternity.
Somewhere in all these vs threads you'll find my arguments for the relevant power levels of chaos king. With the scans I included I stated why I think he is only at best a universal threat. I really have no intention of going round about again because someone made another thread claiming chaos king is multiversal. Who was I arguing with back then. Shrug. Can't remember.
Anyways. I still say by feats antimonitor trumps chaos king.
And btw I don't believe in the claim that the "first mover" is toaa. But simply the first of the zenn la gods... Just like Gaea was the first of the earth gods... Etc... Since the zenn la gods are told by the first mover that end end would be brought be the chaos king...
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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Apr 19th, 2011 05:46 AM
for giving an effort on reading the scans.Though I can't say anything on how you interpreted it.I can't say anything about the other people who posted here.Either they already decided w/o reading the scans or simply they debate out of hatred.Oh well, everybody is a fanboy.One way or another I guess 
