black bolt causes every atom in her body to collide with every other atom, annihilating her instantly without saying anything.
Sersi wiggles her fingers and removes all air, turning the battlefield into a vaccuum. Everyone who can't survive unprotected in space immediately implodes.
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this could go on for days. there's just too much power with no practical limits on both sides.
I'll give team magic the edge because their powers don't have to abide by any laws of physics, fictional or otherwise. Realistically team cosmic is equally as formidable in power, but although their powers are horrifically expansive, they /do/ have limitations the mages won't run into.
On the other hand, I guess some of the mages are prone to exhaustion after time has elapsed. You won't have that issue with Sersi or anyone w/ the power cosmic...
What "laws of physics" apply to the power cosmic? To Stormbreaker? Hell, BRB isn't even a cosmic character per se, that hammer is 100% magic. It can exceed the speed of light and violate the rules of conservation of energy (outputting vastly more power than it absorbs) any time it feels like it.
The only rules that apply are the ones writers arbitrarily put there, and even those are ignored when the plot calls for it.
Basically as I said before BOTH SIDES collectively can accomplish any feat in comics. ANY feat. I'm racking my brain to think of something and simply can't do it- short of flat out bringing back the dead and with time manipulation I'm not even sure about THAT one.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Jun 8th, 2011 at 03:03 AM
Rules of magic? huh? Most of these guys derive magical powers from different sources and rarely, if ever, do their magics fail in effect unless acted upon by some mitigating force.
When speaking of the laws of physics in relation to the power cosmic, I may have misspoken. What I meant to say is that we can only allow cosmic characters feats (such as matter manipulation, energy production/absorption, etc) that they have shown in comics; ultimately limiting their abilities at some end. Magic, if we are to present it as a force that innately defies logic and reason, has no limitations at all as long as the caster is proficient (and there are no second-rate mages present here) and in good form.
For example, it is more reasonable to assume that Zatanna could manifest a stream of water even if we had not seen her do so in comics than it is to assume Silver Surfer could manifest the same stream of water with the power cosmic should no wielder of the power cosmic have generated water before.
Cosmic energies and manipulation, at least the way I've seen presented in Marvel, do not defy the laws of physics, but act upon them in ways we, the audience, cannot understand. Magic is just... supposed to be supernatural and innately in violation of those laws.
Granted, you could argue that some dialogue has hinted magic to be just science beyond our comprehension, but I would think it in poor taste to agree with based on the random crazy stuff magic users accomplish on a whim.
Nope. the PC is consistently portrayed as a plot device- frequently doing things that have not been done before and cannot be explained through the laws of physics. It's not a power based in science by any means.
Example: Surfer was able to trap genis in his board simply because he said so. Nothing like that had ever been done before by anyone else (or since, really) but it was acceptable because hey: it's the power cosmic.
Galactus has raised the dead with it, surfer has time traveled with it, etc etc. It does what the story calls for and does not have any hard limitations- science based or otherwise.
Mjolnir/Stormbreaker (I treat them as the same device tbh) is pretty much in the same boat. Every now and then it displays a crazy power and no one questions it.
Last edited by Space M ummy on Jun 8th, 2011 at 03:23 AM
To expand further- all of marvel's "cosmic powers" tend to work this way.
The PC tends to be something Galactus uses, but the power of the abstracts (including the tribunal), the power of the cosmic cubes, and the power of the infinity gauntlet are ALSO classified as "cosmic power."
it's just a matter of scale. There really isn't anything the infinity gauntlet or tribunal is not able to accomplish, and they aren't restricted by any laws, physics or otherwise- in fact the gauntlet and the cubes (to a lesser extent) have shown the ability to overwrite those laws at will.
There are feats that are outside of surfer's ability to do (again, I think ressurrecting the dead and creating life are beyond him) but Galactus can do freely, again suggesting that those limitations are just a matter of scale, and not the nature of how cosmic power itself is treated by marvel.
Again, at high enough levels (and heralds are around there) cosmic power and magic are essentially the same thing.
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