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Sebastian Shaw vs Wonder Woman (Unequiped) in Cage Match

Fight inside a large adamantium cage.

Who wins?

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Just as Power Girl and Thor would beat him, so would Diana.

Especially because she's a skilled martial artist who's also observant enough to notice what's up with his powers relatively soon.

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Just as Power Girl and Thor would beat him, so would Diana.

Especially because she's a skilled martial artist who's also observant enough to notice what's up with his powers relatively soon.

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Diana switches to grapples once she figures out what's going on (or Shaw gloats about it). WW 4/5 or better.

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Like I said in the PG thread: One-shotting Rogue /w/ Ms. Marvel's powers is a very impressive feat on Shaw's end, and proves that he certainly has the potential to give Dianna a good fight. However, he's usually not written on that uber of a level (and for good reason)- thus Dianna would definitely take the majority.

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Just as Power Girl and Thor would beat him, so would Diana.

Especially because she's a skilled martial artist who's also observant enough to notice what's up with his powers relatively soon.

Once she finds out he should be at a significant threat level, but what gonna happen after that? How will WW take out Shaw?

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Like Laminator X said, grappling.

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Even in a slug fest, she'd win in an end.

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Like Laminator X said, grappling.

Wrestling? Sure that's a good way to get around Shaw's energy absorption, but I don't see how she'd win that way..?

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Would Shaw's powers would prevent pressure points and suffocation?

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Pressure points require an input of kinetic energy, no? Suffocation might be possible though- depending on how she does it.

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I guess Diana...

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Like Laminator X said, grappling.

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Even in a slug fest, she'd win in an end.

I don't think grappling would work. Since she's gonna have to exert energy (kinetic energy) to hold him down/restrain him.

And I still haven't seen a scan of him being overloaded by purely physical attacks. So it's unfair to claim she'd win in a slugfest.

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Pressure points require an input of kinetic energy, no? Suffocation might be possible though- depending on how she does it.

so does suffocation then...

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Yeah, unless a pillow is standard equipment for Dianna, I'm not sure how she could suffocate Shaw without utilizing kinetic energy in some fashion..?

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Dirty pillows are standard equipment for Diana.

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Yeah, unless a pillow is standard equipment for Dianna, I'm not sure how she could suffocate Shaw without utilizing kinetic energy in some fashion..?

I don't see how a pillow would change anything? presumably she'd still have to use tremendous force to keep it on his face, and that energy would transfer to him, making him stronger.

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Dirty pillows are standard equipment for Diana.

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I don't see how a pillow would change anything? presumably she'd still have to use tremendous force to keep it on his face, and that energy would transfer to him, making him stronger.

Passive attacks have beaten Shaw in the past (that's how Nimrod did it)- but in a scenario like this where Shaw cannot be passively BFR'd, then Dianna will have to get crafty if she's going to beat him.

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Like Laminator X said, grappling.

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Even in a slug fest, she'd win in an end.

The force used to subdue him will only empower him me thinks.

Jul 20th, 2011 07:32 PM

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I don't think grappling would work. Since she's gonna have to exert energy (kinetic energy) to hold him down/restrain him.

Shaw doesn't absorb all the kinetic energy applied to his body. If he did he couldn't ride in a car. Heck, since he can hit things to power himself up, he couldn't chew or exhale properly if he absorbed even minute pressures.

Since he can do these things, there seems to be a minimum threshold of impulse (change in momentum) required to trigger his power. We cant know what it is exactly, except to say that it's greater than a footfall and less than a punch.

Since his limo accelerating to highway speeds doesn't trigger his power (as evinced by the limo successfully pushing Shaw to those speeds as well), slow steady application of force against him is clearly possible. (Have we ever seen Shaw in a plane?)

Thus, something like a sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke should work.

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Shaw doesn't absorb all the kinetic energy applied to his body. If he did he couldn't ride in a car. Heck, since he can hit things to power himself up, he couldn't chew or exhale properly if he absorbed even minute pressures.

Since he can do these things, there seems to be a minimum threshold of impulse (change in momentum) required to trigger his power. We cant know what it is exactly, except to say that it's greater than a footfall and less than a punch.

Since his limo accelerating to highway speeds doesn't trigger his power (as evinced by the limo successfully pushing Shaw to those speeds as well), slow steady application of force against him is clearly possible. (Have we ever seen Shaw in a plane?)

Thus, something like a sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke should work.

Subduing a character of Shaw's strength in a "sleeper hold, bear hug, or choke" would require a much greater input of kinetic energy than chewing, exhaling, or riding in a car.

...So I don't think your analogies really work. :/

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