Does anyone have any idea because I can't think of one entity capable of taking him down, based on on level that he was operating on... sans the PIS feat that actually stopped him.
Do pre retcon Beyonder and MM count? If not : Scathan, Protege, PISless LT, Mxy, Mandrakk, GEB, any competent HotU user, HoM Wanda, MJJ, any competent user of the Nexus of All Realities. Honorable mention : any competent Starbrand user (the LT feared it).
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But what I don't get, is that how any of those guys are above an Infinity Gauntlet user, and if that's not enough, what about all of those other powerful artifacts?
Wasn't Krona more powerful than all of those artifacts combined, or is my perceptions of JLA/Avengers wrong?
The LT is easily above the IG/Cosmic Cube/etc.... he's multiversal. As is the Protege (who surpassed him) and Scathan (who manhandled the Protege) and the HotU (which owned the LT and all other abstracts in 616 reality). GEB is an evil Presence (both are multiversal). Mandrakk was above even that. Mxy, MJJ, Nexus of All Realities, and HoM Wanda are OMNIVERSAL.
With the Starbrand, Erishikegal had power enough to challenge the LT and upset the balance of power in the multiverse.
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Quan's Thanos (If odin can't drop thanos, no one can. Odin is above TOAA and presence.)
Carver's Hulk (Hulk thunderclapped a freakin' dimensional barrier cast by Umar, a freaking dimensional barrier.)
H1a8 and shokosugi's superman (My calculations predict that force of 50 earth would be sufficient for combo to ko or THIS B LEVEL VILLAIN IS NO MATCH FOR SOOOPERMANNN......)
You trying to tell me that:
1. Mxy, MJJ, etc., because they've had the term "omniversal" thrown around, are greater than the likes of LT, HotU, GEB, the Presence, etc?
2. That Mandrakk is above the GEB/Presence?
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And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
Concerning DC -
Mxy is beyond question. He destroyed and remade the entire DC OMNIVERSE. So there goes the Presence and GEB.
The Primal Monitor was so above DC's 52 universes that it seemed like an amoeba when he discovered it. Mandrakk if I'm not mistaken was his probe. So there goes that.
Concerning Marvel
Merlyn said that if MJJ wasn't stopped he posed a threat to the omniverse and would be the "new God playing dice with reality". A weaker alternate universe version of him took UNIVERSAL NULLIFICATION to destroy and it was said this trick wouldn't work on the 616 version. So yeah.
HOM Wanda remade the ENTIRE MARVERL OMNIVERSE with her Chaos Wave. Not even the HotU in Thanos' hands accomplished that (there were realities outside the scope of what he absorbed, Death's dimension was just one of them).
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Sigh...ok. WF Mxy had one feat that was, bar none, the greatest display of power in comics. If that's all you want to look at, then fine, go ahead. I, for one, won't accept him above the likes of the Presence.
The Primal Monitor is (maybe, 100% unproven) greater than the Presence, and because of that Mandrakk is too? That's pushing things hard.
First, statements, especially those about potential, don't amount to much. Second, the HotU is most powerful than MJJ and Wanda and that's that.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
a little boy with glasses and a baseball bat, wally claims to be an incarnation of God. nobody has proved him wrong yet. the omnipotent wally encountered supergirl(linda) several times in her "Earth Angel" days, giving her advice and support. he bears a strange resemblance to the carnivore, the voluntarily fallen angel who is supposed to be his opposite number
The LT was demonstrated to be above the Infinity Gauntlet, on panel. This is why Warlock gave up the gauntlet in Warlock #1. A confrontation between the two would have resulted in warlock losing, and all reality destroyed in the process.
Pre-Retcon beyonder is the most powerful entity ever seen in comics. Quadrillions of times more powerful/vast that the omniverse combined.
Even at the end of secret wars, we find that he was holding back- there's no way to gauge how strong he actually was. Pre Retcon MM is lower tier but at that high of a level it doesn't even matter.
LT didnt demonstrate what u should stated of him being above the Gauntlet.
Adam gave it up willingly do the consequences if they confronted each other.
it doesnt make anyone superior over the other in power but relative equal regardless of who won.
he did, actually. Reversed the damage adam did (blowing away the abstracts present) just by saying so, and during the "hearing" stated that he would win in a confrontation between the two (though it would wreck all reality in the process), which adam "should be aware of, due to his mastery of time." Adam conceded this point.
that wasn't speculation, that was a demonstration of power and perception of alternate timelines between the two. Adam and the LT were NOT equals there.
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