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Wolverine (No Claws) vs Tombstone

Wolverine is only using his fists.

In a brawl how would this go?


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Wolverine is only using his fists.

In a brawl how would this go?
He goes all Black Dragon Master weak point attack on Tombstone and ko'es him.


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DD koed Tombstone with a sledgehammer, Wolverine's fist should more than do the trick.


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DD koed Tombstone with a sledgehammer, Wolverine's fist should more than do the trick.


With his strength and adamant in fists. I'd see that happening. Issue is should the sledgehammer feat have happened in the first place. Doesn't tombstone trade blows with spiderman for example....


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Traded blows with Spider-Man(who has hurt his hands punching Tombstone), Cage, etc..

It was PIS.

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Tombstone should be able to win this.

Even if the sledgehammer feat is legit, there is a lot of difference between the weight of a sledgehammer and the weight of a handful of metal fingers. Much less mass.

So, the next questions are:

1. How much damage can Logan do with his fingers?
2. How tough is Tombstones skin.
3. What can Tombstone do to Logan?

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Tombstone should be able to win this.

Even if the sledgehammer feat is legit, there is a lot of difference between the weight of a sledgehammer and the weight of a handful of metal fingers. Much less mass.

So, the next questions are:

1. How much damage can Logan do with his fingers?
2. How tough is Tombstones skin.
3. What can Tombstone do to Logan?


have u not read Wolverine comics?
his skill and striking power is insane..

it is constantly explained how adamantium weighs and increases his striking power to hurt guys way above Tombstones weight class.


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have u not read Wolverine comics?
his skill and striking power is insane..

it is constantly explained how adamantium weighs and increases his striking power to hurt guys way above Tombstones weight class.
Look at your hand. Look at your fingers.
Unless his fingers are also laced with White Dwarf Star metal, it isn't going to be as massive as a sledgehammer.

Personally, I would imagine that a full-sized sledgehammer swung by Daredevil is going to be more devastating than a punch from Wolverine.

And, like I said, it also depends on Tombstone's durability.

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Look at your hand. Look at your fingers.
Unless his fingers are also laced with White Dwarf Star metal, it isn't going to be as massive as a sledgehammer.

Personally, I would imagine that a full-sized sledgehammer swung by Daredevil is going to be more devastating than a punch from Wolverine.

And, like I said, it also depends on Tombstone's durability.


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Wolverine is significantly stronger then Rough House.

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Wolverine is significantly stronger then Rough House.
Well, if that's true, (which, I don't think it is), that would completely change Wolverine's profile.

Roughouse has the superhuman strength of a Rock Troll or something.
Wolverine does not have the ability to do the things that Roughouse has done.

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Well, if that's true, (which, I don't think it is), that would completely change Wolverine's profile.

It is true. And what?


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Roughouse has the superhuman strength of a Rock Troll or something.


He a decedent of them and is more powerful then tomb stone.

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Wolverine does not have the ability to do the things that Roughouse has done.


He doesent need to. He beating the shit out of a guy who more powerful then tomb stone and stating he regularly does this.

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It is true. And what?




He a decedent of them and is more powerful then tomb stone.



He doesent need to. He beating the shit out of a guy who more powerful then tomb stone and stating he regularly does this.

Yeah. I'm saying that Wolverine does not have superhuman strength and the comment about him being significantly stronger than Roughouse is incorrect.

And I'm saying that the character of Wolverine and the writing that follows him around are poorest quality, low-brow and totally lacking in any attempt to maintain continuity with the rest of the MU.

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Yeah. As BA as Logan is, one instance of him sparring with Roughouse and saying he's better doesn't impress as it's clearly PIS to show how Logan can keep from falling prey to his berserk rages. Roughouse is supposed to be Class 50-ish, and while Logan has plenty of strength feats, none of them are into the double digit class, nor should they be because he isn't that strong and isn't displayed as that strong in other instances.

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actual lifting strength is irrelevant b/c in comics a character can have superhuman striking power without the overall physical stats.

wolverine has tons of feats showing his striking power against opponents well above Tombstone


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no non no no no. I dident see that. that was an accident. I ment Daredevil. Not rough house.. I am sorry i completely missed that. That was an accident. I just re read my post that was supose to say Daredevil. My bad guys. Rough house is way stronger then Wolverine sorry about that guys.

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Yeah. I'm saying that Wolverine does not have superhuman strength and the comment about him being significantly stronger than Roughouse is incorrect.


My bad man, that was supose to say Daredevil. That was a mistaken on my part.

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Yeah. As BA as Logan is, one instance of him sparring with Roughouse and saying he's better doesn't impress as it's clearly PIS to show how Logan can keep from falling prey to his berserk rages. Roughouse is supposed to be Class 50-ish, and while Logan has plenty of strength feats, none of them are into the double digit class, nor should they be because he isn't that strong and isn't displayed as that strong in other instances.

There nothing PIS about that. He done that number of times to rough-house. In that instances they even reference he done that a number of times.


Rough house is stronger the class 50.


They dont need to be, your jumping the guy here, and comic dont support u. He dident win because of strength. He just out fought rough house while not holding back.

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Have they actually fought a number of times? Or was that one time referencing the number of times they fought off panel?

And what I'm saying is, from what I've seen, Logan's strength isn't all that great in all of his appearances. Unless it's just against Roughouse.

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Have they actually fought a number of times? Or was that one time referencing the number of times they fought off panel?


Yes Rough-House is one of Wolverine rouges and he has fought him a number of times.


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And what I'm saying is, from what I've seen, Logan's strength isn't all that great in all of his appearances. Unless it's just against Roughouse.


For starters that striking power not strength. And ones striking power is not base off of ones strength level that but a factor. This is very true in the real world as well. That why GSP has the strongest punch of record and he not even remotely close to the strongest UFC fighter or boxer. Wolverine shown crazy striking power feats and in actual strength is likely stronger then you think as well.

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Not trying to take anything away from the feat but Roughouse would be the "third part". We're talking about Tombstone and know for a fact that Spider-man has a hard time hurting him with his class 10 punches. Logan would have to hit harder than Spider-man in order for his attacks to have some effect. Only other option I see is presure point attacks, and from what we've seen they're not that usefull against TS.


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