The Gem Empowered Colossus vs The Current Hulk Not HOTM Hulk...I Mean The Hulk Which Lost To Dr Doom...Stalemated Red She Hulk(Maybe She Still kept The Wish) ...But Still Has Planetary Strength.....
IIRC Dr Doom didn't defeat Hulk, at least not physically, seemed more like a verbal ownage. Hulk looks as though he's still at Green Scar levels, despite one or two lacklustre showings in his own book he's still got planetary level power.
Colossus just hasn't looked as strong or as invulnerable as Cain did, and Cain has never beat Hulk in a straight up fight.
He beat Hulk because he prepped and used trickery to get the win, Hulk didn't know it was Juggernaut. Two issues later he beat Juggernaut down who was fully armoured up.
The only time Hulk's had "assistance" was with Celestial tech to amp himself, but he needed it to take on Juggernaut because at the time he couldn't grow stronger with anger.
The reason Hulk doesn't have a KO victory is because of PIS, something that is removed on the forums and it was made clear that without Juggernaut tricking Hulk he wouldn't have won.
War and Merged Hulk have both beat Juggernaut down while besides the one above instance Juggs has never come close to winning.
Hulk is usually portrayed as the better fighter but he could never acutally hurt the Juggernaut due to the enchantments. Juggs cant be harmed unless its a mental or mystical attack so Hulk would have no way of winning outside of PIS which is why its always there
War and Merged Hulk had Juggernaut on the ground in pain about to finish him so this a straight up lie. Even Thor has been a step away from putting his lights out but again Cain was saved by PIS.
Colossus at Juggernaut levels was losing against Rulk, has been KO'd by his own momentum and in the previews for the next AvX VS, is again having a hard time with Rulk. It was established by Jeff Parker (and of course Pak) that Green Scar is > Rulk.
Last edited by The Sorrow on May 29th, 2012 at 12:05 PM
War had Celestial Technology, Merged never beat Juggernaut a physic backlash beat him.
And Classic Juggernaut, depending on how you viewed the fight, either was beating WWH until WWH was forced to BFR him, or Cain was stalemating WWH until WWH BFRed him to get rid of him.
So nice try.
Also Cain's only prep and surprise consisted of him not wearing his armor and jumping Hulk then beating him down.
Edit: Also when did Colossus get beat by Rulk at standard Juggernaut levels?
Edit: Also when did Colossus get beat by Rulk at standard Juggernaut levels? [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually from what i remember, Regular Colossus was stalemating Rulk in avx 2 then we just see him turn into juggernaut underwater in uncanny x-men. he gets poked in the eye and turns into his third form.
Colossus in his second form wasn't really seen tangling with Rulk too much. That might change this avx vs 3 since he is battling both Rulk and Thing.
Hulk had tech because his powers didn't work, it allowed him to boost his strength and he beat Juggs down with boosted strength. The same as any other powerful Hulk can. Never said Hulk KO'd him, Merged Hulk beat him down i.e. had him on his hands and knees about to deliver the final blow before plot device saved Juggernaut. The same thing happened when he fought Thor and War Hulk. This is indisputable it's all on panel.
WWH is Juggernauts best showing against a powerful Hulk but if you ignore the context and only look at the pictures yes it was an even fight and actually doesn't disprove what I said. Juggernaut, besides one instance of using prep and trickery has never come close to taking Hulk out.
Only? Hulk wasn't fighting back because he thought Cain was a civilian, he even tried to help Juggs when he thought he was in danger. It was a prepped ambush that gave Cain every possible advantage.
Uncanny X-Men #11. Rulk is easily just as strong if not stronger and is a better fighter. Green Hulk is stronger and tougher than Rulk plus he can amp.
The truth is Colossus doesn't have enough feats yet, he fights Red Hulk and Thing soon. Let's see how that turns out.
The point being Celestial Technology probably was effecting Cain's powers wouldn't be the first time, unless you trying to say War Hulk is that much stronger than Green Scar?
What are you basing this about to finish him off thing on. Do really believe a double fisted haymaker from Merged Hulk would have KOed the Juggernaut?
And you would think when Cain was holding Hulk's head under water and Merged Hulk had to throw something in Cain's eyes to get him to let go that Hulk would realize he was fighting against a super strong opponent he couldn't afford to hold back against.
And Hulk has never taken Cain out without some form of help, ie Celestial Technology or a physic backlash.
I do agree we should wait and see how Colossus does.
Since when is being on the ground= being in pain? Captain America flipped Hulk over so i guess Hulk was in tremendous pain from that huh? Cain was knocked down but both times he was uninjured. And as far as Hulk being "about to finish him" is you assuming.
There was nothing suggested nor implied that the tech affected Cain, Apocalypse wanted to test Hulk's strength and used Juggernaut as a test subject. End result: Juggernaut was defeated. In WWH he held back against Juggernaut and got rid of him when he got bored of playing mercy, War Hulk wanted to kill Juggernaut. It's an apples and oranges comparison, the only time I have seen Green Scar not worry about killing people was HOTM who would destroy either WWH or Cain.
Hulk was in an uber rage at the time. Juggernaut was left prone after the first two blows, a 3rd double fisted attack would have put some serious hurting on him.
He fought Talos the Untamed who was trying to take his head off with an axe and he still wouldn't fight back. This is Merged Hulk were talking about here, essentially Banner's mind inside the body of a Hulk. Banner's mind is far more rational and less inclined to fly into a rage like other incarnations, iirc he wanted to arrest Cain not take him out.
Until we see more from Colossus, Green Scar current or otherwise wins.
Last edited by The Sorrow on May 29th, 2012 at 01:52 PM
Except we've already seen where weird items that have weird cosmic/strange properties can and has effected Cain, Shatter Star's sword, Thor's hammer.
You have a different account of that fight, cause WWH didn't get bored and get rid of Cain leisurely. He simply couldn't beat Cain head up, and don't try and say he was playing around. Up till that point WWH had no problems hurting and nearly maiming anyone in his path. The fact he could do it to Cain is a testament to the fact WWH couldn't.
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