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Annihilus vs Thor

Who wins?

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Proably Thor

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Done a few times already C.

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If this is current Thor he gets one shotted


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If this is current Thor he gets one shotted


lul, wut. How is current any different than classic? In the past year, off the top of my head, he's pulled out the godblast on a couple occasions, gut-checked himself against Mercy by producing 3 consecutive feats that are as good as anything he's ever done, stalemated Surfer (in an admittedly unconvincing fight), and one-shotted the Demiurge. And there are others. Other than jobbing to various incarnations of the Hulk, how is he one-shot-by-Annihilus weak?


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lul, wut. How is current any different than classic? In the past year, off the top of my head, he's pulled out the godblast on a couple occasions, gut-checked himself against Mercy by producing 3 consecutive feats that are as good as anything he's ever done, stalemated Surfer (in an admittedly unconvincing fight), and one-shotted the Demiurge. And there are others. Other than jobbing to various incarnations of the Hulk, how is he one-shot-by-Annihilus weak?




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Other than jobbing to various incarnations of the Hulk, how is he one-shot-by-Annihilus weak?


He was one-shot by Taurus that's why


On a serious note though, outside of the usual "team book" type of shenanigans, current Thor has some pretty hardcore feats. Certainly as much as anyone on that scale of power.

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Well sure, I suppose if all you read is Avengers, you'd have a much different view of Thor. But then, that's almost always been true. Most of his uber feats from the classic era came from his solo book.


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Pretty much.

While Fraction took Thor's personality and characterization and decided to nuke it to hell, he didn't effect Thor's power level at all.


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Well sure, I suppose if all you read is Avengers, you'd have a much different view of Thor. But then, that's almost always been true. Most of his uber feats from the classic era came from his solo book.


Yep. Which run of Thor is your favorite?

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I've discovered recently that there's two storytelling reasons for the heavy hitters jobbing in team books. The most-cited one is that they'd end the fights and threats too quickly, so the writer has to get them out of the plot somehow. This is valid.

But the other reason is that it helps sell the bad guy. "Holy crap, he just one-shotted {insert most powerful character}! This must be serious. To win, we're going to need teamwork." Equally as stupid, but I saw like 3 occurrences of this in rapid succession recently, and only then did it dawn on me.

So yeah, two different Thors. Avengers Thor, despite being called the heavy hitter, is occasionally no better in a fight than Iron Man.


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Yep. Which run of Thor is your favorite?


That limited run with Ego and the Collector was cool. Great, great art, and it treated Thor with sort of a detached dignity that hasn't been around for a while. Of recent arcs, that gets my vote.


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lul, wut. How is current any different than classic? In the past year, off the top of my head, he's pulled out the godblast on a couple occasions, gut-checked himself against Mercy by producing 3 consecutive feats that are as good as anything he's ever done, stalemated Surfer (in an admittedly unconvincing fight), and one-shotted the Demiurge. And there are others. Other than jobbing to various incarnations of the Hulk, how is he one-shot-by-Annihilus weak?
SMH, i wasnt been serious but Thor has been one shot 3 times as of late.

But Annihilus is capable of draining Thor.


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That's a good question that I'm not 100% prepared to answer right now. I follow his book, but not as religiously as, say, Spider-Man, so I'm not sure I can differentiate between arcs. Occasionally I'll skip issues and such, so my knowledge of him isn't complete. Maybe I'll get back to you.

{edit} Oh, wait, that limited run with Ego and the Collector was cool. Great, great art, and it treated Thor with sort of a detached dignity that hasn't been around for a while. Of recent arcs, that gets my vote.


I really liked Astonishing Thor, too. People hardly depict Thor in that noble light as he should be nowadays. In large part due to the movies, which showed us an arrogant and boisterous Thor, I'd imagine.

Writers seem to forget, or not care, that Thor underwent something called character development years ago.


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SMH, i wasnt been serious but Thor has been one shot 3 times as of late.

But Annihilus is capable of draining Thor.


Heh, ok. It's hard to tell with you.

Valid point, but there seems to be two different Thors in comics these days. I don't want to ignore the bad entirely, but I think we can agree he isn't without some High Herald or higher feats and appearances in recent history.

No argument on the fight overall. I wasn't going to comment, but the one-shot thing was too odd not to correct.


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Heh, ok. It's hard to tell with you.

Valid point, but there seems to be two different Thors in comics these days. I don't want to ignore the bad entirely, but I think we can agree he isn't without some High Herald or higher feats and appearances in recent history.

No argument on the fight overall. I wasn't going to comment, but the one-shot thing was too odd not to correct.
Hard to tell with me? you act as if im some times quick tempered and serious!!

IIRC didnt Annihilus do well against Thor previously?


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I've discovered recently that there's two storytelling reasons for the heavy hitters jobbing in team books. The most-cited one is that they'd end the fights and threats too quickly, so the writer has to get them out of the plot somehow. This is valid.

But the other reason is that it helps sell the bad guy. "Holy crap, he just one-shotted {insert most powerful character}! This must be serious. To win, we're going to need teamwork." Equally as stupid, but I saw like 3 occurrences of this in rapid succession recently, and only then did it dawn on me.

So yeah, two different Thors. Avengers Thor, despite being called the heavy hitter, is occasionally no better in a fight than Iron Man.


I was actually having this conversation with my son. He only knows Thor Vis-a-vis the Avengers movie, various cartoons (i.e. Hulk vs, EMH) so as you would expect, his view of Thor isn't too high. For him the notion that Thor is as powerful if not more so then say, the Hulk doesn't compute at all. When I told him that in the actual source material Thor has feats that trump most anything that the Hulk has ever done, his reaction was incredulous lol.

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Yeah, last time I remember them fighting, Annihilus was amped off of Asgardians he had kidnapped and drained. I think they may have had another fight since then, but it's been a while.


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I've discovered recently that there's two storytelling reasons for the heavy hitters jobbing in team books. The most-cited one is that they'd end the fights and threats too quickly, so the writer has to get them out of the plot somehow. This is valid.

But the other reason is that it helps sell the bad guy. "Holy crap, he just one-shotted {insert most powerful character}! This must be serious. To win, we're going to need teamwork." Equally as stupid, but I saw like 3 occurrences of this in rapid succession recently, and only then did it dawn on me.

So yeah, two different Thors. Avengers Thor, despite being called the heavy hitter, is occasionally no better in a fight than Iron Man.


Basically, what you described is the Worf Effect.


I would never, ever, have the likes of Superman or Thor in a team full of relative pussies. You'd have to be at least 'half' (unquantifiable as that is) as powerful to be on a team with them if I were writing.


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I was actually having this conversation with my son. He only knows Thor Vis-a-vis the Avengers movie, various cartoons (i.e. Hulk vs, EMH) so as you would expect, his view of Thor isn't too high. For him the notion that Thor is as powerful if not more so then say, the Hulk doesn't compute at all. When I told him that in the actual source material Thor has feats that trump most anything that the Hulk has ever done, his reaction was incredulous lol.


Continue preaching the truth to your son, dmills.

The Realm Eternal smiles upon thee.


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