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Prime, (classic) Strange/Fate, Onslaught, Amazo, HOTM Hulk...all of these characters have feats that place them firmly above the herald level class. There is no argument there. Yet some have (arguably) feats that reach well into the skyfather pool and therein lies my question.
What does it take for a Trans tier character to (for lack of a better word) " transcend" into the Skyfather realm? Especially when some skyfathers (Zeus for example) lack the feats that place them within their own category.
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I think you missed my question pym. Im asking what does one have to do to earn that title? Alotta things skyfathers do %shaking dimensions with fisticuffs, casually destroying planets, making teams of heralds their bitkh) Trans characters do too, and on a more consistent basis
Thanos could be a very likely contender , what with his never ending upgrades by Mistress Death everytime he is revived by her . Not to mention he managed to briefly hold his own against one of Marvel's elite skyfathers , that too in the latter's own realm . Strange that you didn't include him in this thread , Sin .
Versatility is the main key for reaching skyfather levels. If you don't have it, you don't belong. You can be as powerful as you want physical, if you are not versatile enough to contend with a true skyfather, your chances are gone. You can have the power but you also need the versatility. Example...Umar is a true high end skyfather. She admitted on panel TWICE that she didn't have the power to defeat the Mindless ones. Not only did Hulk defeat them at WWH levels...when going into full, blown, WBH mode, he killed the Mindless Ones with a back lash of a single punch. That wasn't just it. He killed 2 physical high Herald, a being that was amped enough to destroy Worlds and he destroyed a being that over powered Merged Hulk with one arm and defeated Surfer at the same time. He killed all of these beings without even touching them and being at couple of 100 ft in the air. That's not it...he took out the planet and two moons (remember, single punch, also remember, a high end skyfather admitted she couldnt take out some of these beings under her own power and Hulk killed them without even touching them).
Let's also not forget that the current/recent depictions of the Mindless ones was capable of shrugging off attacks from high Heralds like nothing. To the point that Nova himself had to flee because his power output wasn't enough to even damage them.
The heat from Hulk punch killing these beings should outright be intense as hell. After all of this...I still wouldn't put Hulk in the skyfather tier because even though he is a physical monster, he is missing a lot of things. I wouldn't put Amazo either or Strange.
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Last edited by carver9 on Sep 7th, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Dormammu is currently powerless and Umar is walking around with his power along with having control of the Dark Dimension. It was even stated on panel that he is powerless when he fought the Avengers last month (or the month before, cant remember but he is weakened because Umar has his power.)She also aided in stomping eternity and she has matched Dormammu in an extended fight IIRC.
They didn't stomp Eternity , they took advantage of a shift in the cosmic axis , and even then it was Dorms who went in and actually did the hard work(Umar was freaked out by the cosmic "ick" from Eternity's body) and got the power(Umar only waited it out like a scavenger , and stole Eternity's power from Dorms once the moment was right) .
Classic Dorms was able to stalemate an Eternity M-Body under his own power , a feat which is beyond most skyfathers .
The only logical answer to your question would be that the trans level characters in question would have to produce feats beyond their tier consistently. Zeus has been declared equal to Odin according to Dormammau.
In Zeus' defense, when he and Odin were "debating", ie going at it inside the Council of Godheads headquarters, Zeus didn't back down. It looked like an even one on one till the others stepped in and stopped it by siding with Odin.
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