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Man of Miracles Vs Classic Beyonder

Who wins?

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Classic Beyonder


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Beyonder.

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MoM was somewhere around Eternity level. She created the universe and all the Skyfather esque Gods in the universe. Although not sure if it was alluded to her creating other universes. It's been a while.

She loses to Pre Retcon Beyonder and beats Post Retcon Beyonder.


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MoM was somewhere around Eternity level. She created the universe and all the Skyfather esque Gods in the universe. Although not sure if it was alluded to her creating other universes. It's been a while.

She loses to Pre Retcon Beyonder and beats Post Retcon Beyonder.


I'm pretty sure I read a writer's comments a while back that the Spawn-verse is a universe, not a multiverse. Could be wrong though.


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I'm pretty sure I read a writer's comments a while back that the Spawn-verse is a universe, not a multiverse. Could be wrong though.
I was thinking Image as a whole.

Unless that's also contained within the Spawn Verse. Not quite sure.

I thought I seen some allusions about other universes when MoM was on panel. Like I said, it's been a while though. I haven't read a Spawn coming since like a couple issues after 4th Age.


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Classic Beyonder solidly.

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image is an omniverse, it was even shown on panel in shattered image #4:

http://i.imgur.com/DlzJWFd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TL8mjoW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/68WqBGb.jpg

not sure why the majority are picking the beyonder here. He has a bunch of low showings like for example future doom with one of galactus' devices stole his power, strange could have permanently sealed him in another dimension while the beyonder was drunk, puma could have killed him, he also doesn't have absolute control over time.

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Beyonder

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a justification would be nice.

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a justification would be nice.
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^^ thumb up ... even while limiting himself like during the SW saga.


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i have seen these claims made before but that's not true.

he wasn't limiting himself the entire time, only when dealing with lesser beings.

other than that, he normally wouldn't, dazzler #40:

http://i.imgur.com/93OcQuc.jpg?1

"i gather you stopped limiting your powers"

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Beyonder limited his powers through out the entire series.

That single moment with Dazzler doesn't substantiate your claim,
and no where in it is anyone stating Beyonder limited himself to lesser beings.
(that makes no sense since Everyone was a "lesser being" to Beyonder)
There is none here who can say to what degree Beyonder limited himself,
or when he was or was not limited. But with certainty concerning your "low-showings"
Beyonder was definitely limiting himself. Save for the Doom pis which Beyonder coerced.

That aside, we know he did limit himself ridiculously!

You already posted several pis/cis scenarios, like Beyonder getting drunk, lol,
(Strange saw/knew Beyonder had limited himself)
or Puma being able to kill him, laughing out loud heck, even the Thing almost killed Beyonder,
far more expressly than Puma's bull crap.
And several other stupidities in the name of trying to make a prolonged story where
"God" interacts with microbes like the Living Tribunal and Spiderman.

Of course all of this laughable, and it's good to know it's cause Beyonder allowed it.

You gotta let go of the Puma thingy though,
it's as if you believe Puma (multiverse empowered) could defeat Beyonder, which is a no.
Beyonder was going to allow Puma to destroy his body.
When Beyonder doesn't want to be hurt, the Most powerful being in all Creation,
blasts him with enough power to
"destroy several Billion entire universeS"

[img=http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16516953_B4.jpg]

... and it makes Beyonder cough ... once.

Beyonder also easily shattered Owen's protective Dome.
Beyonder defeated Owen in less than two pages.

Puma (empowered) = entire Universe - Multiverse (at best, save for Owen)

Remember, Owen gaining his powers from Beyonder himself put him apart.

Owen's Dome >> entire Multiverse ... Owen >>> entire Multiverse

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so basically, you're going to disregard the evidence i posted, right?

when i say "lesser beings" i mean everyone apart from abstract level beings.

the thing and puma are 2 completely different scenarios. In thing #30 the beyonder wanted to be beaten physically because he thought he was guilty for screwing up thing's life.

While in puma's case, the beyonder specifically wanted puma to attain enough power - by becoming one with the mutliverse - to kill him, i already explained this instance in the other thread. And for the record, i never stated that puma could beat the beyonder, im only saying that he had the capability to kill him.

nowhere was it mentioned that the beyonder coerced doom to steal his own power

molecule man stated later that he wasn't exerting himself in his battle with the beyonder. Though yeah, i get your point, molecule man even admitted that the beyonder transacts on power levels unimaginable to him. But you're saying this as if everything is consistent/makes sense. Must i remind you that in secret wars 2 #6, the beyonder (while depowered) didn't have enough power to resurrect death (without Dave's help) despite the fact that he was still more powerful than all the cosmic beings combined? Molecule man couldn't even kill a rose, and he was significantly more powerful than everyone combined (which included Death), as well.

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