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Senor Cage
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Which is a bigger reality warping feat?

Legion's/box feat.
Pandora merging the DC, WS, and Vertigo universes.
Or Dharma merging Milestone into the DCU?

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Pandora, definitely, though she didn't do it alone.

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Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two.


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Originally posted by Galan007
Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two.
Kinda sorta? I mean Barry was the one who cracked it solo IIRC she just used him to put it back together so we know where the energy is coming from the don't know enough about Dharma but at least legion did it on his own. That is to say if they are all 3d Printers they are all top of the line but Pandora got a solo nuclear plant to power hers while Legion got the wall outlet.

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Legion's.


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Originally posted by Galan007
Legion mucked with a universe.
Dharma created a universe, and merged it with the mainstream DC universe.
Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Barry's help or not, Pandora's feat is several infinite orders of magnitude beyond the other two.


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Originally posted by Galan007

Pandora merged 3 separate multiverses into a singular multiverse.

Anyone got scans of this? This is pretty uber, I'd like to see how it was illustrated.


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Pandora created an omniverse since DCnU has been confirmed as omniverse several times across several titles like superman and hawkman.


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it was never stated that it was 3 multiverses, but wildstorm, vertigo and DC are 3 separate multiverses (i posted this a while back, here it is again):

Pandora merged them together in flashpoint #5:

http://i.imgur.com/wVG3gKc.jpg

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DC in 2011 had a multiverse (everyone knows that)


VERTIGO: it contains countless universes:

lucifer #37

http://i.imgur.com/qYnOJ1z.jpg

each mirror resembles a universe, and there are countless mirrors

http://i.imgur.com/H7UopQl.jpg

this is also confirmed when we see an alternate version of cal, lucifer #39

http://i.imgur.com/95E4goS.jpg


WILDSTORM: it contains a multiverse, planatery #1:

http://i.imgur.com/bZt6BET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VwmWNPj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3pan7df.jpg

^this is confirmed multiple times.

Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/


So merging DC + wildstorm + vertigo = merging 3 multiverses.

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Pandora created an omniverse since DCnU has been confirmed as
omniverse several times across several titles like superman and hawkman.

What's an 'omniverse' in DC?

Marvel defines its, ... does DC do the same?


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What's an 'omniverse' in DC?

Marvel defines its, ... does DC do the same?

I'm not the cosmic expert around here. Maybe galan can answer it.


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Originally posted by abhilegend

I'm not the cosmic expert around here.

So it could just as easily be 3 multiverses, or 3 universes.
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Interview confirmation that pandora merged DC, wildstorm and vertigo:

http://comicsalliance.com/faq-dc-comics-new-52/

So merging DC + wildstorm + vertigo = merging 3 multiverses.

But according to this interview it was 3 universes merged:

"There are still plenty of questions that still have no answers: Who
separated the DC Universe into three? How did this separation occur
when Swamp Thing showed up in the pre-Flashpoint Brightest Day?
How did the separated Wildstorm timeline become its own alternate
universe? Why does Grifter rate a spot next to Cyborg, Batman,
Wonder Woman and Superman? Why does merging the history of
these three universes make everyone younger? Why does Barry
remember everything about his life in the Flashpoint timeline
?"

Perhaps this Pandora thingy was a retconing of sorts?

I also read that the single DC Timeline was splintered into 3 Timelines,
so, it doesn't seem like DC, Wildstorm nor Vertigo were ever complete Timelines,
or multiverses .. according to this interview.


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it was never retconned. However, the term 'universe' may have well been used to describe dc as a whole, wildstorm as a whole, and vertigo as a whole.

they are definitely mutiverses (i could show you MANY other vertigo titles which contain a multiverse of their own)

which is why the bleed separates different multiverses (final crisis: secret origins files):

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1

Also, for what it's worth, i read a while back a marvunapp page which says that DC terms (like omniverse. etc...) are the same as marvel's, im searching for it but i can't find it.

On panel, DC in itself has never referenced multiple multiverses, nor does it have an official definition for the omniverse, it has however, a definition for a meta-verse which is > multiverse.

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At any given point there are several million universes that collide within an omniversal nexus point in the DCnU:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

Suffice to say: the actual number of universes that comprise the entirety of DCnU would be much, much greater. So even IF you believe that Pandora only merged 3 separate universes originally, she still turned those 3 universes into an omniverse that is comprised of millions, upon millions of universes(at the very least.)

Any way you cut it, her feat is far beyond the other characters in this thread.


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^^ @opr616 ... Yea, I thought about that later on, and I agree.

As for what the DC 'omniverse' is now, sites won't cut it.

Marvunapp's is awesome for detailed information, I luv em,
but even they have they're errors, and several pages needing updates,
specifically they're definition of 'omniverse'
which is still stuck in that momentary period in 2005
when Marvel joined the general idea.
As we know, Marvel quickly changed that in 2006, when their reality
became a sole omniverse like before.

So I'd have to see on panel or handbook definitions directly from DC books.

*edit* ... Did Pandora turn all of DC into one multiverse?
How many metaverses are they?


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At any given point there are several million universes that collide
within an omniversal nexus point in the DCnU:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16401790/1.jpg.html

"omniversal?"


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That room is a nexus point where all universes in DC's creation intersect.

So yes, omniversal nexus point.


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"omniversal?"


Does the term matter here? Whether you call it an omniverse or not, it's millions of universes at minimum. That's millions more than either of the other two players here.


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