It's not all about who has the most skilled student, patience and teaching methods are important too. Cap has the edge there imo. I'm not looking at the individuals for their martial arts skills, only their methods of instruction.
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Method of instruction is subjective. If Batman being an ******* produces better results than Captain America being a nice trainer, then Batman's output is objectively better, thus he is a better trainer as far as the quality of his trainees.
Simple.
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Yes AND no. Think of the movie Karate Kid. Who was the better instructor, Myagi or the leader of the Cobra dojo? Don't get me wrong, I'm not comparing Batman to the Latter, it's just an extreme example of my thought process.
I'm an actual martial artist so I've seen my fair share of both types of teachers.
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I think you mistake harsh training for bad character. Nightwing is one of the most well-adjusted guys in the DCU, and Batman picked and trained him just after his parents died right in front of him. He is not the leader of the Cobra dojo. But I don't think that's what this is about.
Batman's students are better from a purely fighting, martial arts aspect - which is what I suspect the thread is asking.
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I guess I see Cap more like Obiwan and Bats like Vader. Both's students are entirely capable, and Vaders might be the better fighters, but I just don't see Bruce's methods of teaching as... Healthy. Lol
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I don't think this thread is about who is more patient or kinder. If you go to an MA teacher its because you want to learn how to be a better fighter. If Batman trains Bob X and Captain America trains Bob Y with the same amount of allowed time, say they take the same breaks and whatnot and the only difference is training methods then I believe Bruce's student would come out on top. Once again it's not about who had the most fun learning or who had the easier time. You go to a teacher to learn, not to have a jolly good time.
You go to learn lots of things. Martial Arts isn't ONLY about fighting.
It's a way of life. Bruce's way may be more effective temporarily in combat, but a vengeful, dark life isn't a healthy way to live.
The topic is to rank them by their martial arts training.
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Stick probably wins the thread. Unless there is some scene I am forgetting which shows Captain America was largely responsible for his martial arts skills, Bucky wasn't trained by Captain America solely. He went through rigorous military training to earn his skills. And possibly more skills through his Winter Soldier conditioning.
But Bucky is pretty kick-a$$. Going all-out he more than held his own against Wolverine, Hawkeye and Daredevil simultaneously. I get what you're saying but Captain America has never had the opportunity to train students day-in, day-out from childhood onward (sometimes through to adult life). Not exactly a fair comparison.
And even if it were, Damian was arguably the best Robin at H2H fighting for his age. And I would have a tough time concluding Talia was a better fighting instructor than Batman. A sentiment that I think Odekahn is touching upon and which I find myself agreeing with.
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