I could now say that the Sentry absolutely murderstomps, just to troll you and you would be like: "Blubrabbablubrabbablub, you don't know what you're talking about" ... while in fact it's you, who is calling the character "Solar Man", while - to my knowledge - he never took that name even once. It's either Solar or Doctor Solar / Man of the Atom.
With all that being said... It's a tough battle and you should take into consideration that I personally don't consider Solar as a universe buster... The argument can be made due to the conversation he had with his friend about how their reality was destroyed and billions of people died, but nothing else ever implied that he destroyed his entire universe.
In all the other moments he was always talking about destroying the Earth and then in the end he had to travel back in time to study the birth of the Earth to be able to re-create it. And the narration was also always talking about him re-creating the Earth and not the entire universe, so yeah ...I don't see him being a universe buster / creator.
With all that being said... It can go either way.
Solar had much more direct control over his powers than the Sentry, but by combining all of the stuff Sentry and Void did it becomes obvious that Solar and Sentry were not that different from each other ... Solar had the control, Sentry was the one with the raw power, just like in the Molecule Man / Sentry instance...
How Sentry can win:
- Simply by overpowering Solar. Solar has never been destroyed on a molecular level by someone like the Molecule Man or the Sentry, so it's hard to say if he would have an answer to that. Solar can destroy opponents on a molecular level, but we know that that's not the way to deal with the Sentry, who should have the natural advantage in that area, due to his raw power.
- Mindraping Solar. Solar has resisted telepathic attacks before, but he never had to deal with empathy and if the Void attacks Solar with one of his infitendrils it's over for Solar, since Solar did some weird stuff in his life like destroying the Earth by creating a blackhole. Being confronted with all of his past and possible future sins might be too much for him cause a mental breakdown, like it always did to everyone who ever faced the Void.
How Solar can win:
- Simply by BFR'ing the Sentry. Solar is capable of dragging people into other timelines and even realities. Sentry never really had to deal with BFR and we don't know if he can deal with that. He was trapped in the Microverse once and got out, but the Microverse is not sealed and it can be left, if you find the entrances, which Sentry most likely did. Sentry can teleport and reform at different locations, after being destroyed, but I won't make an argument for him doing that after being BFRed, since he never did it instantly or on such a big scale that it's impressive.
- With a black hole. Sentry never had to deal with a black hole. Can he escape one with flight alone? Can he affect one with his powers? We don't know, but since he has never done it, there is no point in arguing it. Yeah, he could teleport away, which I would expect from an all-out Sentry, who would be fighting at his best, but by doing that he wouldn't be winning either.
Conclusion:
I say Sentry wins due to the raw power advantage.
When Solar destroyed the Earth he did it with a black hole. Of course not on purpose. But he had his moments, where he was pissed and attacked with a lot of force, but he didn't cause that much destruction. It was on a city-wide scale AT MAX and now I'm being very generous. Sentry simply has more raw power. Of course not nearly the control over it and that's obvious, since he also had to ask the Molecule Man to do the work for him.
In my eyes the fight is so close that the only reason I'm giving the fight to Sentry is, because I'm a Sentry fan and obviously slightly biased in this one ... 5.5 / 4.5 for the Sentry.
But I can also understand if someone makes arguments for Solar. Especially if that person can make arguments for Solar being a legit universe buster. Then it's clear as day that he beats the Sentry, simply by operating on a larger scale.
why all the laughing? enzeru made some very good points.
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Spider-Man was affected by Void's infitendril just fine. He got his mind-rape, but in the next scene Sentry fought Void off and Spider-Man was free - free to help Kingpin, yet he still collapsed due to the effects of the mind-rape afterwards:
We've seen what happens, when Void was taking care of business with no one equally powerful to stop him. He tags you and then you're in a world of pain and despair, unable to escape.
So yes ... "Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight" indeed.
1. Sentry has erased Spider-Man's memories before.
2. Void has affected people with stronger telepathic resistances and immunities than Spider-Man. Void has affected everyone at once during the events of the Siege, including Spider-Man and no one was able to resist.
When I tell you something about the Sentry, then you're supposed to obey and take it like a brave girl, because I know my shit, while it's painfully obvious that you're desperately searching for ways to make Sentry and Void look bad, so that they don't overshadow Superdudebro, which in the end they do - easily.
You won't see an essay coming from me with in-depth thoughts on characters I don't know crap about. I don't need to look up feat-threads for Solar, because I've read the comics.
Nothing about Solar implies that he is a multiversal being. He is capable of traveling around through different realities and I also used that as a way for him to win, if he uses it as BFR. But that still doesn't mean that he can operate on such a scale.
I know.
Spider-man still shook off his telepathy. Cyclops also defeated a part of void in a TP battle.
If you tell something about sentry, its definitely exaggerated. That's why you get called upon so often and get banned from everywhere. Superman isn't in this thread and I'm not making sentry/void look bad, you are doing a great job on your own.
Hahaha, you don't know crap about solar but you've read his comics? Also solar has more multiversal feats than anybody else I can think of.
Who gives a damn? You are so well liked here or everywhere, right?
No, he didn't. Re-read Siege and you will see that he didn't and you will also realize that the Sentry was not around to save him that time and that everyone was helpless, until Loki intervened with the Norn stones.
But at this point you're starting to sound like a broken record and I honestly don't understand why you're doing it. The only logical reason would be that you'll continue to do it, until I simply give up due to the stupidity and let you believe what you want - but that won't be the case, because I'm as stupid as you are and I'm telling you that Spider-Man was in trouble like everyone else and just like Solar might end up being it as well.
1. I'm the best source on the Sentry, there is. I'm also the one, who tends to pull people back, who start making stuff up and turning Sentry into things that he is not, like for example a reality warper.
2. Banned everywhere? I was banned from Comicvine, because there was an annoying indian **** named CitizenBane, who has the attitude of a butthurt diva and I couldn't help myself but to insult him, for having a pathetic attitude and passive-aggressivly annoying the crap out of everyone he comes across.
I was banned from CBR for one day, because I questioned some of the mod-rules for the Sentry, something that I'm also doing here on Killermovies. The stuff the mods here came up with is simply wrong and it's there, because they lack proper knowledge on the character.
3. Yeah? No.
Name me ONE multiversal feat, that has nothing to do with him teleporting around.
Also GTFO with the black hole, that destroyed the Earth, since that's basically all it did - nothing less and nothing more.
Everyone (and their mother) likes me, unowatImsayin'?
Yes, he did. And after Loki died, Thor killed him with a lightning bolt. Cyclops beating void's TP and spider-man shaking off his telepathy is just pathetic.
The only salvageable thing from that gibberish is that you admitted you're stupid. Tell us more about the guys who void mindraped where the second most powerful guy after Thor was Iron man.
You are the best source at exaggerating sentry's feats, I would give you that.
Yeah, I'm sure that's why you were banned. Not because even he pwned you and you lost your temper at him. I can post the thread for everyone to see why you were banned.
Yeah, the whole world is wrong and only you're right. I'm sure your doctorate on sentry is better than everybody else's.
Great response sherlock.
I just gave you one.
Your petulant whining doesn't retcons feats to what you say in every thread.
Oh no you didn't!
Sucka tried to play me
But you never payed me, never
Oh no, you didn't!
Pay back is a coming
You will be running forever
Oh no, you didn't!
Till i get my vengence
I will never end this mayhem
Oh no, you didn't!
If you think that without Loki's help Thor would have been able to do anything to the Void, then you're clearly out of your mind.
Cyclops dealing with a fraction of Void is PIS at its finest and everyone knows it. It was a bad meaningless story, where they ignored continuity and the fact that Void annihilated people, who were telepathic ways leagues above Cyclops.
That's basically the same as when I come around and say that Livewire is capable of hurting Superman and since her electricity is harming him, Thor's lightning bolts would freakin' annihilate Superman in one shot, since they have also killed the Void, harmed an amped up Sentry, harmed Glory and also the Chaos King, yaaay!
I'm stupid for arguing with you, indeed.
I can tell you more about Void breaking Hulk's bones in a matter of seconds and take him out of the battle for days. Or how Void stomped multiple superheroes teams, where Iron Man was not the second strongest in the New Avengers encounter, where Void faced the New Avengers, X-Men, Inhumans, Fantastic Four, Namor and his teammates, SHIELD and few others.
I'm basically telling you how they are. And I'm also telling you that some of Sentry's best feats are where most of the readers don't even suspect it be.
But hey, you're the guy, who straight up lies about Superman encounters and exaggerates his feats, even after people debunk them for the tenth time.
Talking to CitizenBane is the same as talking to you. I think that says it all.
Was the thread about Martian Manhunter VS Sentry, where he said that all Martian Manhunter needs is telepathy and I said that all Martian Manhunter HAS is telepathy and that even that won't work on the Sentry since he basically is immune to telepathic attacks? Yeah, that was quite something and I would do it again.
CitizenBane behaves like an ******* from hell, but then again, it's the internet, son!
I'm the first one, who will slap your ugly mug and tell you that the Sentry is not beating reality warpers if you say he could... with that being said:
Damn, you're right. I had to look it up further and I just realized that they turned the Valiant version of Solar into a straight up reality warper in the end - unfortunately I wasn't up to date to these events. Later on during the other takes on him and other Solar hosts he didn't have it on such a scale.
But as I said it above ... if you're a reality warper and it's not even on a universal scale I don't see the Sentry beating you at all.
Reality warping >>> molecule manipulation, since to warp the reality you don't need anything around, while molecule manipulation is ... well, molecule manipulation.
I change my vote to Solar > Sentry 10 / 10. Reality warping is too much and it's way more logical for Solar to turn Sentry into nothing, rather than to see the Sentry ripping Solar's molecules apart on a whatsoever-level, it won't be enough.
Putting a wall of text? I'm going to enjoy this.
Justin bieber would be proud of his protege.
Yet he killed void on his own.
Yes, everything you don't like is PIS. This ain't comicvine boy.
Only if superman wasn't weakened by his fight with Queen of Fables in first round against Livewire or there was kryptonite involved every other time. Regular superman laughs at lightning.
Because sentry's aura calms him down. Only noteworthy hero was Strange, the rest were fodders.
Yeah, like I said the whole world is wrong.
Post the links. Talk is cheap.
We both pwn you repeatedly?
Like when Venus owned him? Get pwned and cry foul. I'm sure you will.
Calm down and take a breath.
I always am. Ignorance is a virtue for you it seems.
- So did Morgana Le Fay, even though she failed to finish off the rest of the much weaker Dark Avengers.
- So did a random Kree gun, even though a huge explosion from a random Kree bomb later on didn't affect him at all.
Weird stuff happens for the sake of the plot.
I'm sorry. You're right. It was a combination of PIS and WIS.
Not only did that part of the story didn't make any sense, but the writer also portrayed Void in a way he was never portrayed before. He was portrayed totally out of character. Whoever uses the entire instance as a proof for something is seriously desperate man.
No wait, it's not even being desperate, it's actually lowballing at its finest and you're trying to become an expert on it.
Superdudebro has been knocked out by exploding moons and planets, without being weakened by Kryptonite. See that? Lowballing back at you.
I know that Superman has taken bigger explosions to the face and lived through it without getting the crap knocked out of him.
So you're saying that without the Sentry around Hulk would do fine against the Void?
Dude, what? You hear that basically every single day. You deal with that every single day here. You're a terrible debater. Period.
The only thing you both have in common is being from India - are you defending your bro right now?
Venus' powers are not based on telepathy. Their have a mystical background.
And in the end of the day Venus is a hot half-naked blonde. No matter how good your telepathy resistance is, when you see **** you will do what the **** want you to do. It's a universal rule.
The writer, who came up with the Void / Cyclops instance might just find a way ... if you're lucky.
If I'm lucky Paul Jenkins will be writing the story and the readers will learn how Sentry was the only man, who was ever able to please Domino and that she can't fight him, because of it.
The same reason why all women (including some men) love me: My great personality, pretty face and broad shoulders.
You can write PIS, WIS or WHATEVERIS it wouldn't change anything.
Everything that doesn't favors sentry is lowballing. Gotcha.
Sentry has been knocked out from a nuke amped ms. marvel and Namor. Getting knocked out by moons and planets isn't a low showing.
You do? List them.
Void generates the same aura since void under jenkins was nothing but a light construct of sentry's power.
I still don't give a damn. I'm far better debater than you can ever imagine in your wildest dreams. I've taken some of the best debaters on net and pushed them to their limits. You get pwned by citizenbane and cry foul about it.
I didn't even know he was an indian. He's a terrible debater who I pwned in three posts flat once I went to to that laughable site when I was bored. There is a reason he resents KMC.
Yet people like Temugin have shrugged them off. It works as TP in most conditions.
Sentry doesn't know booty if it hits him in the face naked. Also venus is a redhead.
Domino is a reality warper too and according to you reality warping>>>>sentry. Also Jenkins is one of the worst writers ever, his fallen sun oneshot was him literally giving sentry a blowjob. No wonder you like him.
We ain't talking about your wet dreams about sentry boy. Keep those to yourself.
He tanked World War Hulk punches to the face and smiled about it.
He took Thor's full power lightning bolts and choked him afterwards.
He was in fights, were moons and planets were destroyed as side effects and he was just fine.
I could go on and on, since Sentry's durability is just fine.
My point is that Sentry gets killed by a Kree pistol, yet a Kree bomb doesn't bother him at all afterwards. The plot can be a biatch, son and it's obvious that you realize that just fine, because you can't be THAT stupid. No, you just choose to be an a-hole and if that's your wish, more power to you.
Spider-Man defeated Firelord.
No. Everyone who lowballs, lowballs. I hope you got it now.
Again, you're lowballing the Sentry and even further, you're straight up lying and spreading misinformation.
1. Ms. Marvel punched the Sentry from behind and he flew into a sea. Nothing implies that he was knocked out. The next time we saw him he was back at home and realizing that he actually has godlike powers and is not some just chump, who can shoot laser beams out of his eyes and gets to referred as a god by insane guys, who wear weird Bat-costumes and have mommy and daddy issues.
Also you fail to mention the many times, where Ms. Marvel asked Sentry to knock out opponents for her, because they were beyond her capabilities, and how she failed to free herself from monsters, so that the Sentry had to help her, or how she was unable to stop Ares properly, while the Sentry did it with one hand.
2. Namor knocked out Sentry? You're so... man, you're so annoying. Namor didn't punch the Sentry once in their entire fight. He was at the receiving end and Namor teammates needed to come up with a solution to get rid of the Sentry.
Tanking supernovas is pretty good.
Now you're making shit up.
No Raj, Void does not have the same calming effect on the Hulk as the Sentry. Not even in the closest. Hell, not even the Sentry had that same effect properly later on, as we saw it during WW Hulk, since Hulk's rage was too immense at that point.
To go even further, during Paul Jenkins Sentry and Void had clear mentally related differences. One could be seen in the Negative Zone, where Sentry felt weakened due to the anti-matter, while Void was more powerful, since he was absorbing the anti-matter.
It's obvious that the Sentry can absorb various kinds of energy and if he is at his best, he can do whatever he wants to do.
I wonder if you're fapping, while coming up with such statements.
CitizenBane and you, you're both liars and are ready to go over corpses to get your will through. That's not being a great debater, that's being annoying as ****.
If the story requires it Aunt May will resist telepathy. Her powers are mystical. Deal with it, Raj.
I saw Venus also being blonde, but speaking of redheads ... Sentry had a redhead as well. And a blonde, and a brunette. He is that awesome.
Who did Superman have? Lois Lane and Krypto ?_?
Jenkins' Fallen Sun was:
1. An outcry, because Bendis mutilated the character,
2. setting up for Paul Jenkins' third story he always wanted to write about the Sentry, therefore CLOC mentioning he would rebuild the Watchtower somewhere else, the diary with the message on page 19 and the Rogue instance.
I also liked Paul Jenkins before, when he was writing Spider-Man comics. That was Spider-Man at his best and the stuff from nowdays is simply annoying.
Why, Raj? Are you not interested in one more essay?
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So? Hulk also totally burned him out.
He was killed by one just after that.
Never happened at all. All it destroyed was a mesa of rock which Cap was avoiding just fine.
Apparently not.
Sentry's durability sucks if he gets killed by a kree gun. Who told you that the kree bomb was more powerful than the kree gun if one didn't affect him and one killed him. It wasn't due to plot, its because sentry as a character sucks and Bendis had no idea what to do with him.
Under DeFalco Spidey also beat carnage amped silver surfer and nearly beat masterson thor. His spidey was a beast.
Nope, its called actual debate with all showings low or high.
Like what?
He was just chilling in there I guess. Except being, y'know out of the fight. And who cries like a girl when a skrull called him a loser.
Means what exactly? Ms. marvel unamped is class 50. If he isn't stronger than her, it would be laughable.
I meant Avengers/Invaders boy, when Namor twoshotted him and sentry disappeared for the rest of the fight.
You got those from his respect thread?
Ah, I forgot. Void was in negative zone at that point. My bad. Also, you still think my name is Raj?
Yeah, I messed up. I admit it. Its a pain to remember the mary sue issues of sentry.
Only in your mind.
Just stating truth boy.
Hahaha, your tears are amusing.
Nope, its just him being susceptible to TP. Deal with what? Your whining?
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He got whipped by Venus and Linda was just terrified of him.
Wonder Woman, Lana Lang, Lori Lemaris, Catwoman were all throwing themselves at him. Lois alone is one of the most beautiful women in the world and wonder woman herself has been jealous of her beauty. Compare that to Linda. Hah.
So nothing but a blowjob.
I bet you like Sally Floyd teaching cap about youtube and myspace. Jenkins is a hack who can't write a good story if his life depends upon it.
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