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Xavier vs Maxwell Lord

Who wins This TP battle ?

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Lord. His mindwipe of everyone on earth and then restoring it on a moment's notice was ****ing insane.

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That's beyond Chuck's ability to do. Even in JLI days he was easily capable of mindwiping J'onn


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Lord. His mindwipe of everyone on earth and then restoring it on a moment's notice was ****ing insane.

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That's beyond Chuck's ability to do. Even in JLI days he was easily capable of mindwiping J'onn


He didn't casually do those feats though. Prep was needed to achieved said feat.

I'll say there about even if they casually fought. But with prep, Xavier has the edge.

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He didn't casually do those feats though. Prep was needed to achieved said feat.

I'll say there about even if they casually fought. But with prep, Xavier has the edge.

He later reversed it casually though. That's a ****ing insane feat if you think just how many telepath are there on DC earth. All the prep involved was a blood supply so that he doesn't die from blood loss.


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He later reversed it casually though. That's a ****ing insane feat if you think just how many telepath are there on DC earth. All the prep involved was a blood supply so that he doesn't die from blood loss.

Which tells u it was much easier to reverse than to perform the mindwipe. Kind of makes sense no?

Is it really beyond Chuck's ability? I mean we are talking about one of the most if not the most powerful telepath in Marvel barring any trans and above characters.


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Which tells u it was much easier to reverse than to perform the mindwipe. Kind of makes sense no?
Seems like restoring memories would be just as hard as erasing them, no?

Like abhi said: when pressed, Max preformed the former on the fly without any prep:
http://imgur.com/jbNgAKn
http://imgur.com/xAosvmt
http://imgur.com/55KdjDf
http://imgur.com/jS7ocrb
Granted, it still appeared to take its toll on Max, but he did it rather casually nonetheless.

However, if we are just going by visual depictions of the event(s), then Max initially preforming mind-phuckery on the world certainly *looked* more taxing:
http://imgur.com/UzLPXn6
http://imgur.com/pEBbEUs
http://imgur.com/9Y9VNWW
http://imgur.com/wCP244j
http://imgur.com/oXBGSih
http://imgur.com/OXImlBy

...But like I said, it *seems* like the feats would be fairly equal in terms of the sheer TP powa/control required... Perhaps Max simply became more adept with his TP as time progressed? The feats did take place 20+ issues apart, after all. Dunno. /shrug


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Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like restoring memories would be just as hard as erasing them, no?

Like abhi said: when pressed, Max preformed the former on the fly without any prep:
http://imgur.com/jbNgAKn
http://imgur.com/xAosvmt
http://imgur.com/55KdjDf
http://imgur.com/jS7ocrb
Granted, it still appeared to take its toll on Max, but he did it rather casually nonetheless.

However, if we are just going by visual depictions of the event(s), then Max initially preforming mind-phuckery on the world certainly *looked* more taxing:
http://imgur.com/UzLPXn6
http://imgur.com/pEBbEUs
http://imgur.com/9Y9VNWW
http://imgur.com/wCP244j
http://imgur.com/oXBGSih
http://imgur.com/OXImlBy

...But like I said, it *seems* like the feats would be fairly equal in terms of the sheer TP powa/control required... Perhaps Max simply became more adept with his TP as time progressed? The feats did take place 20+ issues apart, after all. Dunno. /shrug


I would imagine Max got better as time progressed. The comics seemed to show that, though not explicitly.


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Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like restoring memories would be just as hard as erasing them, no?

Like abhi said: when pressed, Max preformed the former on the fly without any prep:
http://imgur.com/jbNgAKn
http://imgur.com/xAosvmt
http://imgur.com/55KdjDf
http://imgur.com/jS7ocrb
Granted, it still appeared to take its toll on Max, but he did it rather casually nonetheless.

However, if we are just going by visual depictions of the event(s), then Max initially preforming mind-phuckery on the world certainly *looked* more taxing:
http://imgur.com/UzLPXn6
http://imgur.com/pEBbEUs
http://imgur.com/9Y9VNWW
http://imgur.com/wCP244j
http://imgur.com/oXBGSih
http://imgur.com/OXImlBy

...But like I said, it *seems* like the feats would be fairly equal in terms of the sheer TP powa/control required... Perhaps Max simply became more adept with his TP as time progressed? The feats did take place 20+ issues apart, after all. Dunno. /shrug

That's just it. Visual evidence would lead one to believe that it was more complicated to apply that mental block.
Maybe he did progress like you suggested, but what has he done within those 20 issues to really validate that?
Comparing those 2 instances, the latter felt as if it had smaller requirement of power/control.. That's just me.


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I've always about that Chuck was rather overrated. No way he could duplicate Lord's global mindwipe without an assist from Cerebra.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Which tells u it was much easier to reverse than to perform the mindwipe. Kind of makes sense no?

Is it really beyond Chuck's ability? I mean we are talking about one of the most if not the most powerful telepath in Marvel barring any trans and above characters.

Actually Lord's mindcontrol is so complicated that not even J'onn and Lasso of Truth can break it on someone's mind. If he brainwashed someone, its more taxing to break it. He couldn't even break his control on superman even if he wanted.

Titles are just that, titles.


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Chuck.


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Xavier wins.


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Going with Max. His feats are just too uber.

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Going with Max. His feats are just too uber.
Feats don't determine superiority.


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According to comicvine's debaters, Maxwell is only low or mid level telepath. I seemed to underrate Maxwell.

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That's just it. Visual evidence would lead one to believe that it was more complicated to apply that mental block.
Maybe he did progress like you suggested, but what has he done within those 20 issues to really validate that?
Comparing those 2 instances, the latter felt as if it had smaller requirement of power/control.. That's just me.

Why would we have to be limited to just those "20 issues" the history of the character clearly shows his powers have evolved over time leading up to that point. When he first appeared in JLA he didn't even have fully blown TP. He had the ability to influence a single mind to agree with him. Doing this caused a slight nose bleed. As time went on into JLI etc he was able to gradually influence larger and larger groups without a nose bleed. The fact that his powers might have evolved between the two instances is frankly consistent with the changing level of his powers since conception. To assume there would be a difference in this evolution later than earlier is what would require proof not to prove what history of the character already supports very well.

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According to comicvine's debaters, Maxwell is only low or mid level telepath. I seemed to underrate Maxwell.


I think that take his earlier feats to the exclusion of his latter labeling them as PIS. Like I said when you look at the continuity of the character you see a power level that grows over time. The fact that it is substantially higher after a long period of no appearances just falls within that consistency. If he had had appearances with these lower levels closer to his peak appearances than the PIS label could be justified. But he went unseen to the wider audience for years and with just the small growth in his power level over the year or three when he was being seen more often I don't see a problem accepting those peak ones.

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I think that take his earlier feats to the exclusion of his latter labeling them as PIS. Like I said when you look at the continuity of the character you see a power level that grows over time. The fact that it is substantially higher after a long period of no appearances just falls within that consistency. If he had had appearances with these lower levels closer to his peak appearances than the PIS label could be justified. But he went unseen to the wider audience for years and with just the small growth in his power level over the year or three when he was being seen more often I don't see a problem accepting those peak ones.


Non telepathist with indomitable will like Superman or Hal have resisted uber strong telepathy. But They have been Mindraped by weak telepath. is it PIS or CIS?

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