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Presence vs TOOA

Who wins?


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Who cares?


About you? No one. You should leave.

Before I kill you.


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TOAA wins.

TOAA = Writer, as shown in the comics
The Presence = Created by the writer as stated in the comics

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I wanna post scans here, but I'll have to refrain from doing that since I might end up starting a flame war.I'll just say the one who wins, is the one who didn't get his/its aspect usurped roll eyes (sarcastic)

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I wanna post scans here, but I'll have to refrain from doing that since I might end up starting a flame war.I'll just say the one who wins, is the one who didn't get his/its aspect usurped


Carnivore didn't just ususrp an aspect but the full power of the Presence. By controlling the 3 angels, he threatened to kill the female aspect, so he blackmailed the Presence into giving him his full power.

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Carnivore didn't just ususrp an aspect but the full power of the Presence. By controlling the 3 angels, he threatened to kill the female aspect, so he blackmailed the Presence into giving him his full power.


Oh boy sad Now you've done it.I remember someone who actually argued about what Carnivore did.I think it was Galan and Zopzop who argued back and forth about this back in the days.Oh well wink


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Oh boy sad Now you've done it.I remember someone who actually argued about what Carnivore did.I think it was Galan and Zopzop who argued back and forth about this back in the days.Oh well wink
I've talked about it before. What would you like to know?

Can't say I agree with operator that Carnivore had the 'full' power of the Presence(in the literal sense), given that he still lacked the the Schechina(the female aspect of the Presence)-- but whether he did or did not is ultimately inconsequential. In the end, Carnivore wanted to lose:
http://i.imgur.com/6oUwppi.jpg

So he is definitely not a proper gauge for the Presence itself.


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Can't say I agree with operator that Carnivore had the 'full' power of the Presence(in the literal sense), given that he still lacked the the Schechina(the female aspect of the Presence)


It was mentioned that the aspect was part of Carnivore, though:

http://i.imgur.com/ZdCj9uN.jpg?1

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See, I don't think Carnivore had ever actually incorporated the Schechina into his being, because he literally wanted to give the heroes every possible opportunity to defeat him. This was confirmed on panel:
http://imgur.com/bN7ghay

One more scan which states that Carnivore wanted to lose:
http://imgur.com/cCiooHv


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And when a mind is too deficient in understanding, the resulting gap is often filled with resentment."

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^ Yeah, i actually agree with you that Carnivore wanted to lose (that much isn't arguable), but i think it's possible that Carnivore was subconsciously allowing them to tap into Schenina's power, despite that it was part of himself.

Either way, we know that he had at least most of Presence's power, since here, he implied that the female aspect is basically insignificant to his power:

http://i.imgur.com/qinWRac.jpg?1

Of course, non of that changes the fact that he wanted to lose.

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Definitely possible. Either way he didn't have the full power of the Presence when he was beaten... Technically, at least.

I can't stand when the companies go through all the trouble of gaining 'teh God-powa!' just to have them be defeated... By themselves... Subconsciously. ElOhEl.


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To those without that ability, those who possess it are a mystery.
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