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Dynamic Strength......

Ok, so ive been reading alot of Superman lately (DOS to FC) & though i hate to admit it. He does possess a degree of dynamic strength.

Anywho my question is how great? If Clark takes the kid gloves off and deletes the mental blocks how far past ten can his strength gauge dial?

In this fight its Superman (pre-DCNU) vs Hulk (our resident dynamic powerset hero) in a test of strength only. Not a fight. Just who in the end will cap out first based on feats.


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Ok, so ive been reading alot of Superman lately (DOS to FC) & though i hate to admit it. He does possess a degree of dynamic strength.

Anywho my question is how great? If Clark takes the kid gloves off and deletes the mental blocks how far past ten can his strength gauge dial?

In this fight its Superman (pre-DCNU) vs Hulk (our resident dynamic powerset hero) in a test of strength only. Not a fight. Just who in the end will cap out first based on feats.


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Superman is more likely to hit a hard limit first than hulk, imo. Though I would argue that Superman would increase in strength at a faster rate.

He'll still need to sundip eventually etc.

As far as how large a jump are we talking... Probably to the point where he's far stronger than all but the closest of his peers, and even then, those closest to him like say, Diana or Billy, would still be a notch below.

Just imo.


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Re: Dynamic Strength......

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok, so ive been reading alot of Superman lately (DOS to FC) & though i hate to admit it. He does possess a degree of dynamic strength.

Anywho my question is how great? If Clark takes the kid gloves off and deletes the mental blocks how far past ten can his strength gauge dial?

In this fight its Superman (pre-DCNU) vs Hulk (our resident dynamic powerset hero) in a test of strength only. Not a fight. Just who in the end will cap out first based on feats.


Based on feats? Space Cheese included?


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He would go to eleven just like ALL his equals. Going all out is not Dynamic strength. Superman's strength does not increase like hulks. Hulk gets stronger, superman, black adam, thor, captain marvel etc all just stop holding back and use their FULL strength and show what they can REALLY do. You can insert Black Adam in superman's place and it would be the same thing. There is NO comparison to Hulks TRUE dynamic strength. Superman would cap out in the first 10 seconds.


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I think ODG summed this thread up just fine.

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As opposed to every single comic that's been published where a character stops holding back and inexplicably achieves performances and feats beyond what they were capable of beforehand. Only if you ignore every comic that's ever been published.

Beyond the class they were previously. Just like Superman.

As long as the plot demanded it. Just like Superman. Thor went from taking hours to destroy a single All-Black hound, to destroying scores of them simultaneously, not to mention absorbing the Godbomb. Wolverine went from being stomped by Creed solo, to wrecking Lady Deathstrike, Lord Deathstrike, Sauron, Bloodscream, Roughhouse, Slug, Silver Samurai, Daken, Wildchild, Tigershark, Mystique, Sabretooth and dozens of miscellaneous villains. Thing has gone from being humiliated by single Doombot to crushing scores of them.

Why in the world do you think Superman can never benefit from reverse-ninja theory like pretty much every character ever in comics? Scratch that. Obvious question has obvious answer.


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I think ODG summed this thread up just fine.
Indeed he did.


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Lets add this to it as well.

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When Hal doesn't hold back, he lets loose a Krona-buster. When Jubilee stops holding back, she detonates huge amounts of matter on an atomic scale. When Shang Chi stops holding back, he tears people to pieces. When Thor stops holding back, he destroys Durok with a godblast from his person. When Spider-Man stops holding back, he supports a building.

I am astounded by the tunnel-vision being used here. Nobody argues that Superman isn't more formidable and/or doesn't output more power when he stops holding back. But that's the same for every phucking comic character in the history of comics whether it be Electro, Orion, Wolverine, or Robin.


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Odg isnt the convening authority. Comics back up this


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Odg isnt the convening authority. Comics back up this


Never said he was but he does make a sound argument. Everything is debatable but using Hulk as a totem is just wrong since Superman has never shown he can amp anywhere close to what Hulk can.


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Odg isnt the convening authority. Comics back up this
Comics back it up for EVERY character though.


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Superman starts higher, unless we are using the Hulk that can go to WBH levels on a dime. Based off feats Superman is a hell of a lot stronger and Hulk would cap first (excluding WBH).


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Comics back it up for EVERY character though.
I disagree. Superman has been stated and shown to have mental blocks. It's part of his character. Hulk is a little similar as he doesn't really kill. Other characters performed better due to comic variability (and not because they had mental blocks at first) or just by learning how to beat someone more efficiently through trial and error.


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Idk

Maybe pre boot/marvel now, but really I don't think that's the case anymore.


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Never said he was but he does make a sound argument. Everything is debatable but using Hulk as a totem is just wrong since Superman has never shown he can amp anywhere close to what Hulk can.
Well he has gone with fighting against heralds to doing shit that requires more than 50 Earth weights of force. Remember, he doesn't kill and would naturally hold back his power in order to preserve life. We he is applying his might to a non living thing then he can easily release the mental blocks. For example, him benchpressing the Earth for 5 days, or him applying more than 50 Earth weights of force.


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Idk

Maybe pre boot/marvel now, but really I don't think that's the case anymore.
You could be right, but we'll see. All I know is that Superman doesn't kill and thus he has to have mental blocks in order not to accidentally kill someone. Superman does stupid shit when living things aren't involved but seems to have a limit when living things are involved.


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Never said he was but he does make a sound argument. Everything is debatable but using Hulk as a totem is just wrong since Superman has never shown he can amp anywhere close to what Hulk can.


But he has which is why i created the thread. His abilities tie into his emotional state and his willpower.


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I disagree. Superman has been stated and shown to have mental blocks. It's part of his character. Hulk is a little similar as he doesn't really kill. Other characters performed better due to comic variability (and not because they had mental blocks at first) or just by learning how to beat someone more efficiently through trial and error.
Those mental blocks are in place to keep from going TOO far and hurting or killing NORMAL people or WEAKER foes. Superman is NOTHING like hulk. Superman is NOT the exception to the story, ALL super strong characters that care for innocents or life itself has a form of mental blocks to safeguard the people around them... BUT.... when they go up against someone that can take it or hand them their collective ass on a platter, they let loose and use their FULL strength and abilities. That goes for EVERY character that fits the bill, dont try and place superman in a class by himself in an attempt to elevate him above his peers using something that HAS been shown in EVERY character from Antman to Zoom. You are FAR smarter than that h1a8.


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But he has which is why i created the thread. His abilities tie into his emotional state and his willpower.
When has superman Amped like hulk can? Please answer before the house of EL gather and ruin your thread.


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Well he has gone with fighting against heralds to doing shit that requires more than 50 Earth weights of force. Remember, he doesn't kill and would naturally hold back his power in order to preserve life. We he is applying his might to a non living thing then he can easily release the mental blocks. For example, him benchpressing the Earth for 5 days, or him applying more than 50 Earth weights of force.


This applies to every character though...not just Superman. Thor, Surfer, Hulk, Hyperion, hell, even Cyclops hold back but when they unleash everything, the power display is completely different. That doesn't have a thing to do with dynamic, that's called 'letting loose'.


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Dos, when he beat guy, imperiex, jonn etc


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