Silver Surfer solos for sure...
Few other Annihilators might be able to solo as well...
Edit: Okay, I'll be generous to prevent a DC fanboy tantrum! Silver Surfer, Quasar, Gladiator and Beta Ray Bill are more than enough to absolutely murder-stomp the opponents.
Everyone except Quasar (not sure about him) has destroyed a planet or few, while not holding back and has engaged in fights against characters far more powerful and established than anyone on DCNU JLA.
Last edited by Enzeru on Aug 5th, 2014 at 01:42 PM
1.Superman vs Silver Surfer, Superman 5-6/10
2.Captain Marvel vs Gladiator, 5/10
3.Green Lantern vs Quasar, Hal 6/10
4.Wonder Woman vs Beta Ray Bill, WW 6-7/10
5.Martian Manhunter vs Nova, MM 8-9/10
6.Orion vs Ronan, Orion 7-8/10
Obviously the two most powerful would go at each other and given the treatment Superman gave DD, well I see him winning more often than not. If it is current Superman who is Superdoom, he might even solo.
Explain something to me please and let's take Superman instead of Gladiator as an example:
What in your opinion could Superman do to Gladiator, who has vastly superior feats? (And you even have the inferior Captain Marvel stalemating Gladiator)
Let's compare their feats for example...
Now imagine Gladiator standing in front of Superman and they're trading punches... Gladiator has feats, where he destroyed a planet and Superman can topple mountains with his strikes, which has been confirmed by the narration and Superman himself over and over again.
Gladiator has faced much, much more established people, who also had comically insane striking feats and Gladiator fought through their damage. He has nano-second reaction speed, so Superman isn't even going to out-speed him.
Not even magic is that big of a factor against Gladiator, because it affects him just the way it affects Superman: It doesn't... It's just a type of damage he doesn't have any special invulnerabilities against.
And you can't even make the argument that Gladiator might lose confidence and end up being much weaker than his opponents, because it simply doesn't work that way.
Gladiator only loses confidence when something strange happens.
In fights against equal opponents he never struggles and in the end of the day it's even something that he learned to conquer over the years, just like it's supposed to be for his warrior race.
So what can Superman / Captain Marvel / Wonder Woman do to someone like Gladiator, who has much, much, much better feats?
Same as above.
What did Wonder Woman do that puts her on the level of theoretically Thor's equal? Hell, Beta Ray Bill has even won some of their encounters. The first one even without having Stormbreaker and with Stormbreaker he is capable of destroying planets as well: http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/...brb_strike1.jpg
It feels like many DC fans are massivly, massivly overrating the capabilities of the DCNU characters.
It's like an Invincible fan coming alone and creating a fight between Invincible and DCNU Superman.
Invincible would lose. He might be strong in his universe, but the standards in his universe are just much lower. The characters have lower strength and durability levels.
There is absolutely nothing DCNU Wonder Woman can do against someone like Beta Ray Bill.
Feel free to come up with her greatest feats and I will offer you feats of Beta Ray Bill that easily counter what DCNU Wonder Woman has done.
And this is ultimately what this is all about... Again, Superman vs Gladiator / Thor / Hulk / anyone...
Superman's damage output AT HIS BEST is not high enough to surpass the durability levels of Gladiator / Thor / Hulk AT THEIR BEST, while at the same time the damage output of Gladiator / Thor / Hulk AT THEIR BEST is much higher than Superman's durability AT ITS BEST! And I'm strictly talking about feats right now and not wishful thinking or implications.
JLA win. More top tiers than in Annihilators and better team strategy.
Lord Mar-Vell ****stomped Annihilators and he never destroyed even a city. And yeah, Omni-Man fought Supreme to a double KO and got up earlier than him, so I would say Invincible verse top tiers are comparable to DC/Marvel top tiers. Even though they have never destroyed any planets.
You know that I've invested time to answer your questions on my opinions in detail and now I'm expecting you to do the same for me.
Take your time, if you're busy right now, but I want you to come back to the topic and explain to me what the DCNU characters have done that justifies them taking even a single win in 10 fights against the much more established, versatile and overall powerful Annihilators.
We for sure don't want to leave this thread the way it is now with DC fanboyism and ignorance ruining a potentially good debate, right?
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