Where does well trained end and top tier MA begin?
Nods to Carver9 in the Nightwing/Kitty Pryde thread, where he says she's s grade A MA trained by the best.
A lot of characters are trained in H2h/MA, some are definitely WELL trained...but really, not everyone can be top tier.
Just to get the ball rolling, i consider Kitty to be well trained yeah, but not top tier. Sans her powers she has no reason to beat NW.
Cyclops, Storm, Luke Cage...well trained.
They know what they're doing, and stripped of powers would mow down a fair number of henchmen or glass cannon villains for sure, but have no claim beating on top tier fighters like Nightwing.
Im curious where someone like Shatterstar would be placed. In mojoverse he's supposed to be elite, but without weapons I don't know where he'd rank compared to Cap.
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Digi has a point. It's difficult to assuage who ranks where without an encyclopedic knowledge of everyone and everything. At that point debating no longer is fun. Plus characters like nw go up and down depending on events, writers, etc. He could beat shiva one day and lose to a mook the next.
Just wanted to concentrate on this part of a good response (thanks).
So, we should just stick to easy topics, then?
I mean, Superman vs Thor can be fun, but its hardly a mental exercise.
I try and start interesting converstions.
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Someone mentioned above i think it was kris but anyway, he mentioned that their was a ma tier thread. I suggest you look at that to get a better answer. Imo nightwing should never surpass daredevil. I feel they are true equals. Others may disagree. It's all arbitrary. You'll NEVER get a consensus.
I appreciate the spite response, thanks, they're hard to come by.
What i was curious about was those that straddle the line, like how Spider-man is about as high as a street leveler can go before they arent street levelers anymore.
Characters like Nick Fury, Dr. Strange...
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Spidey's not street, he's a mid tier meta. Only.reason he doeen't wipe the floor with every street (Or group of streets) he fights is because he has "World of Cardboard" syndrome (They did a story where he beat Sin Eater out of anger, later saw the aftermath of his crippled body, and could't handle it. Had a nervous breakdown.)
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By that definition, Superman's a street level hero.
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You're taking me too literally, but thats okay.
I'm not going to beat my example into the ground over it.
Anyhow, straddling the line, thats what i was hoping to suss out MA/h2h wise.
As to why, i've noticed when some characters that arent strictly h2h (Cyclops is a recent example) get put in those situations, they're suddeny treated as if they have if not Bruce Lee, then Jackie Chan level skills.
I find that funny and thought it'd be fun to look at.
Superman didn't get enough votes to move from fourth tier into third after months of debate so general butthurt motivated a few people to move half a dozen characters like Ares and Damian down to fourth tier in a week.
Damian didn't get moved down, of course. Just all the Marvel characters.
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Mar 14th, 2015 10:55 AM
sadly yes.
