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Fernus vs. Superboy Prime

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Superboy Prime:

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1st round: Fernus (with tp) vs. Superboy Prime

2nd round: Fernus (without tp) vs. Superboy Prime

3nd round (bonus): Fernus (without tp) vs. Superboy Prime (solar armor)

Fight for death.

Who wins?

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Fernus in all three. He was a psychic entity made flesh, IIRC.

IOW, unless SBP develops some mind powers, Round 1 has him crying in fear, and 2 and 3 with Fernus eventually wearing him down.


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Fernus in all three. He was a psychic entity made flesh, IIRC.

IOW, unless SBP develops some mind powers, Round 1 has him crying in fear, and 2 and 3 with Fernus eventually wearing him down.


Kinda like Onslaught?

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Fernus in all three. He was a psychic entity made flesh, IIRC.

IOW, unless SBP develops some mind powers, Round 1 has him crying in fear, and 2 and 3 with Fernus eventually wearing him down.


That sounds great and all. But then Plastic Man stalemated him. I actually buy the telepathy argument. Without it, though...really?


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Kinda like Onslaught?


Except Onslaught had the weakness of having mass thrown at him, or whatever it was that made them all throw themselves in.

@Digi: HE was stalemating Eel. By that I mean, he was only tying the JLA up whilst the missiles were flying. I take your point though, he should've physically curbed him.

A massive high point for Eel, if anything. They were skyscraper sized, and were smashing through buildings.

Iirc, Fernus had giant holes blasted through him, and WW was ripping chunks off him with her lasso. He just healed from it. Hence the 'eventual' wearing down.


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Prime oneshots him. Or vaporizes him with HV just like J'onn did.


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As much as I am trying to respect this forum's approach--one that involves greater realism than the comics--, Superboy Prime is a cartoony character who is basically designed to circumvent realism. He punched through the fabric of space time!
Sure, like everyone, he has had some bad days. But he's had some very good ones. Seems like he dominates here, regardless of what Fernus is made of. I think he'd beat a pure energy being like Monica Rambeau, even. Somehow. Someway. I know that we don't debate that way for most characters, but SBP seems special in this respect. He'd probably just punch Monica in the face and she'd be KOed. WIth no explanation.

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Prime oneshots him. Or vaporizes him with HV just like J'onn did.


Superman cutting loose couldn't do so. Guess J'onn > Superman.


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^^^J'onn' always been > Superman.

OT i cant see SBP winning any of these scenarios. The guy is scared of Flashes, because the can and have, hurt him. Fernus would quickly undermjnd his confidence.


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Superman cutting loose couldn't do so. Guess J'onn > Superman.

Superman never tried to do that as he was giving Fernus a chance to stand down even in the last fight.

Even then he shattered his body in one punch.


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^^^J'onn' always been > Superman.

OT i cant see SBP winning any of these scenarios. The guy is scared of Flashes, because the can and have, hurt him. Fernus would quickly undermjnd his confidence.

Maybe in his dreams.

That's why he whines about how everyone forgets he is as powerful as Superman.

laughing out loud


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You may be right...you know more about whining than anyone on this site.

laughing


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Superman cutting loose couldn't do so. Guess J'onn > Superman.


This.

Prime is strong, but he can't match J'onn's unique powers and potential when cutting loose.


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Not in the way he needs to here.


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Superman cutting loose couldn't do so. Guess J'onn > Superman.


Superman burst right through Fernus. Almost everything Fernus did was either telepathy or off-panel. Except for his fight with Plas.

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^^^J'onn' always been > Superman.

OT i cant see SBP winning any of these scenarios. The guy is scared of Flashes, because the can and have, hurt him. Fernus would quickly undermjnd his confidence.


laughing

No. J'onn wishes he were near Superman, let alone superior. You can go back to your Lala Fantasy Land with your "I don't have to defend my argument" mental gymnastics to avoid ever backing your case.

Just..... laughing


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I feel like J'onn is weaker than Superman physically. Though the guy is very strong and fast, he's not quite Superman level. But he makes up for that with his telepathy, phasing, and shape shifting. He carries a weakness to fire, so someone who can blast heat from their eyes and is faster presents a problem.

But I feel Superman can't beat Fernus. He left the dude phased into some table crying out in pain IIRC.

Though I also agree with Pillow Biter in that Prime has these wtf powers. He operates on a high level and I could of sworn telepathy was attempted and didn't work.


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I feel like J'onn is weaker than Superman physically. Though the guy is very strong and fast, he's not quite Superman level. But he makes up for that with his telepathy, phasing, and shape shifting. He carries a weakness to fire, so someone who can blast heat from their eyes and is faster presents a problem.

But I feel Superman can't beat Fernus. He left the dude phased into some table crying out in pain IIRC.

Though I also agree with Pillow Biter in that Prime has these wtf powers. He operates on a high level and I could of sworn telepathy was attempted and didn't work.


On top of his versatility he can also amplify his strength by Shapeshifting and increasing his density. Some writers honestly suggest he's more powerful then Superman doesn't necessarily mean stronger since some suggest Flash is more powerful then everyone else at times as well.

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Superman burst right through Fernus. Almost everything Fernus did was either telepathy or off-panel. Except for his fight with Plas.



laughing

No. J'onn wishes he were near Superman, let alone superior. You can go back to your Lala Fantasy Land with your "I don't have to defend my argument" mental gymnastics to avoid ever backing your case.

Just..... laughing


And bursting through.....did absolutely jack to Fernus. He was literally stomping Superman into the ground. Even Plas did nothing really. Batman's Hail Mary play was only temporary.

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He didn't even care about the fight, and was only doing it to distract the League:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...-fernus4xb7.jpg

Not to mention, he still has the other powers a Martian has. Including intangibility:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...666/VsJla21.jpg

This is how a weaker Martian fights SBP WITH solar armour:
http://static.comicvine.com/api/ima...l/2650414-1.png

If Fernus gets hit, its because he wants to get hit.


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I love when writers write J'onn as if he has common sense with his abilities.

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Fernus owned the shit out of Superman.


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