Yeah, both are pretty powerful.
I’ve often said CN tends to get thrown off his game when he comes up against things he cant straight up steamroll.
I wanna say UM is somewhat the same, from the appearances i’ve read (earlier stuff).
Is there anything Count Nefaria has done (with the exception of no-selling Thor’s hammer strike) that put him in the league of Ultra Man? I don’t think team wrecking the likes of She Hulk, Hawkeye, Captain America, Iron Man, Wonder Man etc is something that Ultra Man could not EASILY replicate - you have to note that UM was manhandling Black Adam, who is a legit team wrecker himself. Moving away from Ultra Man, even Black Adam would easily ‘wreck’ the same team CN did ...only difference is BA would probably just kill them.
Neither is withstanding a collapsing 40 story building (to take one CN feat) to a character that can move the moon.
Not only don’t I think CN can defeat UM, I genuinely don’t even think CN could defeat BA in the first place.
Not the same Adam and Wonder Woman just easily handled Adam. Great showing for Ultraman but it does not put him above or on Nef level. I'm giving this to Count.
Yes Carver, a character that can move the moon with ease is definitely below a character that overpowered the likes of Iron Man, Hawkeye, Captain America and She Hulk.
I think this habit of lowballing characters is quite cool. Why should you have all the fun?
But knowing you, your about to claim he was dopped up on Krytonite. But know this, Kryptonite is Ultraman’s power source. It’s like me saying the Hulk has help anytime he uses his gamma to amp himself, or Steve being dose with the Super Soldier serum.
This is one of two things I don’t like about KMC (the second is that people are simply not objective).
What don’t i like? That people comment about comics they have never read.
I personally have never commented on something I either do not own or haven’t read.
Carver ...you’re a bright guy (and probably the only other black guy on this forum apart from myself). If I say that Ultra Man moves the moon, I don’t mean Black Adam and Sinestro.
I mean UM moved the moon ...all by himself (BA and Sinestro moved it back later, and both had to work together).