I know, I know, Danny bea Shen Kuei when he was "focused".
I, personally, feel this is not representative of an average. I think Cat beats Danny more times then not.
Who wins?
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Personally, I'm inclined towards Taskmaster being the jobber here, meaning there's no shame in Cat losing to him. Shang should lose to a well written Taskey too.
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It's not, Danny pretty much stomped him in the rematch in the first volume of H4H. And he didn't use the iron fist there, so why would now be any different? Danny has only gotten better feats since then, not so much for the Cat.
A well written Shang would beat Tasky the same way Elektra and DD has done.
Mr X had a spark when he started but now he's just garbage.
Remender had zero interest in writing Thunderbolts.
He was tasked to write a single issue, as Marvel had no available writer at that time.
So he filled it with comic relief. You would've done the same thing, if your boss had forced you to do someone else's work.
Diggle and others wrote X with respect. Even had him going toe to toe with Nuke in h2h, despite Nuke's obvious physical advantage and his mind being mostly cybernetic.
It was far from a stomp. Danny's clothes were pretty shabby looking for it to have been a stomp.
The majority of the fight was off panel, meaning we don't know how most of it went. But we DO know he had to focus to win. And we also know their last fight was even, until Danny's attention was drawn away by Misty being in danger.
And the fact Cat is good enough to KO Danny from that tiny distraction is a feat for Shen Kuei. Think about all the times a top tier fights under less then ideal circumstances. If Cat and Iron Fist weren't very close in skill, Danny would not need his full attention..
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And in the interests of fairness, who was the writer that had Logan stomp Shang? How familiar was he with the character?
Remember when Superman was given hell by Slades Ikon suit? Another writer had Superman casually break the shield he failed to penetrate.
Personally, I find that less credible compared to Priests work.
I mean, didn't Daniel Way write that Shang/Logan training session beat down?
Maybe not, but you get my point.
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He wanked Shang plenty in that arc, even had him detecting Scott and Jean, whose presence was psionically masked.
No. It was Fred Van Lente.
Shang had the homefield advantage, he was armed and had the area prepped with hidden weapons and crossbows --- Wolverine never once tried to retaliate... as he wasn't there to fight Shang... so it was only a matter of time before Shang knocked him down or got the upper hand.
He was there hoping to learn some kung-fu technique that would help him against Creed.
Instead, he found that Shang has abandoned his kung-fu ways for koan teachings, which he considered useless, till he discovered they'd help him with his inner human/beast struggle and Creed's mindgames.
When Wolverine *did* fight back, he made a quick work of Shang, as you already saw. And Shang even had the advantage of landing a free shot
This is before the Misty distraction, meaning Danny was plenty focused here. Very even looking, anyone's game.
There's no way Danny "stomped" Cat when he beat him in their rematch, judging by this page.
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And what evidence is presented to make you think the majority of this fight took place off panel? There were other fights taking place too which lasted a similar amount of time, and occurred in a similar amount of panels.
And it was absolutely a stomp. The Cat got the first hit and his only hit. Danny koed him in 3 attacks and none with the ironfist.
Anybody can be caught off guard and distracted. Lady Shiva became distracted by a whistling bo staff and young Tim Drake (way less skilled than her) defeated her.
So how does a stalemate before a distraction and a stomp in Danny's favor makes the Cat better than him? Are you sure that you are an Ironfist fan?
So you think those three pages represent the entire fight? Cat lands a kick, gets hit three times, and it's over?
You're seriously underrating Shen Kuei here. The man fought to a draw against Shang Chi not once, not twice, but three times, and had him on the ropes in one of them. That scans I posted proves Shen isn't going down easy to Danny, like the picture you're painting.
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Sure. And this stalemate is before the Misty distraction.
Danny's tattered hood is proof of their parity.
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I've seen shorter fights between skilled combatants. But I'm not going to assume it was longer without any proof.
Cat doesn't have the feats to compete simple as that. He's like a lot of rarely used antiheroes/villains that starts off great but decline over time. Black Tarantula, Steel Serpent Davos, Silver Monkey DC all fit in that category.
I can see why you'd think that given the text. But look at Danny's mask, a bit nicked.
It remains tattered until Shen Kuei KO's him.
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Apr 18th, 2020 08:52 PM
Yeah he simply doesn't have the showings or enough of the high end stuff to compete with the elite mmas feats.
