I get Supes is a god who can’t be destroyed, etc, but is he not still vulnerable to magic and telepathy for the purposes of a forum fight? He just needs to be incapacitated.
Bobby can Blair Wind freeze the Big 7 and then Charles & Magic can finish that job in one scenario
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Let’s assume standard flash. I know extremely well what flash can do but I also know he doesn’t always use max speed—in character I don’t think he uses max speed often. Same with superman. But use whatever reference point you think is appropriate but this isn’t a forum users flash—but then I never have and never will view speed the way some do. But like I said make whatever case you’d like man.
Basically, for the XMen to beat Flash or Superman, you would have to assume that Chuck and Mags are operating at peak levels while Flash and Superman are operating... somewhere below peak. How far below (“standard”, “average”, etc) doesn’t really matter, my only point is that you need to skew things to be a really good day for the mutants (particularly the two I named), and a mediocre day for the speedsters.
The only debatable fights, IMO, exclude Flash and Superman. And even still, they’d be hard pressed to beat any two person team made up of Hal and either Jonn or Diana.
Probablyly that you think Wonderwoman and Aquaman are beating that X-men lineup. They aren't doing anything but immediately getting mindphucked,frozen and ragdolled. Everyone starts off behind Magnetos shields meaning speed blitzes are gonna be worthless on the first attack and it ensures that Xavier gets to do his thing.
Hell, it basicly negates the rush and allows the entire X-team a chance to do their thing. Jon and Hal are the only threat that can stave off Xavier with the team broken down like this. Supes shatters mags shield just to get mind whammied. Not sure how in the hell they kill or even injure him, but they can subdue him.
Storm, Havok and Iceman are largely useless in this fight, tbh. Sure, they have some nice high feats, but on average they lack the offense to put down several of the opponents listed.
Xavier, Mags and Magik are key players though, and could carry the team a fair bit.
Rogue... I suppose it depends on what version of her shows up to the fight.
I find it more funny to think that lineup is anywhere close to fast enough to react to a not jobbing Wonder Woman, or even more crazy immediately do anything to her, she could just burst through Magneto's shield with a blitz and lasso them all, and even for Rebirth count still feats like resisting Brainac's minphuck try from New 52 besides lassoing herself. And i have even pointed out that Aquaman could die, he adds nothing and i have never even indicated he could take this lineup on.
The only way that comes even close to the truth is if the Justice Leaguers go full on jobbing, and the mutants are bloodlusted, in any other case are Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Superman plainly too fast for them.
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