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Maybe God wants us to think Harder.

I'm on a roll today with Philosophy and Religion. You should see my Omniverse thread.

I'm not discrediting the great discoveries made by humanity. But have you consider that maybe God allows this to happen so that we can think more and expand our minds?

Maybe we're not suppose to worship him. Maybe we should be philosophy him.

What we have discover up to now is incredible vast. But who is to say what we won't discover in the future?

God wants us to learn rather than worship?


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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I'm on a roll today with Philosophy and Religion. You should see my Omniverse thread.

I'm not discrediting the great discoveries made by humanity. But have you consider that maybe God allows this to happen so that we can think more and expand our minds?

Maybe we're not suppose to worship him. Maybe we should be philosophy him.

What we have discover up to now is incredible vast. But who is to say what we won't discover in the future?

God wants us to learn rather than worship?
What would you base such a theory on?


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What would you base such a theory on?


Our natural desire to learn.

We don't act just on instict...but also on learning. We like to know things. So we learn about them.

God prolly gave us the curiousity gene. DNA encode all that stuff...


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Re: Maybe God wants us to think Harder.

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I'm on a roll today with Philosophy and Religion. You should see my Omniverse thread.

I'm not discrediting the great discoveries made by humanity. But have you consider that maybe God allows this to happen so that we can think more and expand our minds?

Maybe we're not suppose to worship him. Maybe we should be philosophy him.

What we have discover up to now is incredible vast. But who is to say what we won't discover in the future?

God wants us to learn rather than worship?


I think he wants us to learn about him. And learning about him means worshiping him, more so in the sense of fellowship or friendship, rather than bowing down to him every minute of the day. I think this is because he himself considers us objects of his love, and he wants us to project the same type of love back at him.

So I believe he truly wants to be our friend and a loving father to us. But still even in sharing this fellowship with him, I believe we as his children should respect him and love him like we would our parents, since..well..erm..he is both of our parents.

My two cents. Or maybe three.


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I think he wants us to learn about him. And learning about him means worshiping him, more so in the sense of fellowship or friendship, rather than bowing down to him every minute of the day. I think this is because he himself considers us objects of his love, and he wants us to project the same type of love back at him.

So I believe he truly wants to be our friend and a loving father to us. But still even in sharing this fellowship with him, I believe we as his children should respect him and love him like we would our parents, since..well..erm..he is both of our parents.

My two cents. Or maybe three.


And maybe that is why he expands his creation in the natural sense of the word. We can know the creator throught the creation?

I like this...


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The Bible ecourages learning, though it considers Godly wisdom more important. Nature is one way to learn about the creator, many consider the atom evidence of God's perfection and order. However, I know that learning does not take the place of worship, both are needed, though one might argue that learning can be form of worship (and I would agree), but prayer is also needed. That would be very similar to Calvin's argument that work is a form of worship, but prayer is still vital.

Learning can be very advantageous, but I think it would mean nothing to God if we did not apply what we learn.

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i like the idea that we were put here to accomplish things. its a positive and proactive outlook on the meaning of the human condition. far better than the idea that our purpose of existance is nothing more than to beg and grovel before god, live by a specific set of morals and...well thats that.

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And maybe that is why he expands his creation in the natural sense of the word. We can know the creator throught the creation?

I like this...


Thanks. I believe he expands his creation in a natural sense. But I don't think he does it exclusively through evolution or anything if that's what you're implying. Darwinian and Neo-Darwinian theories don't seem like very loving systems to me, so I don't believe God used evolution in the 'macro' sense to create us, nor does the bible allude to nor state to him doing this in a natural sense.

I still think God works logically and naturally with his creation though, seeing as he is not a control freak-power hungry God, and likes to see things happen in a gradual fashion, with as minimal guidance and control as possible, if of course the situation allows such to be possible.

Most of the animals we see today are the result of some form of adaptation which exists because of this minimal guidance. This is with the exclusion of man of course, who is an entirely unique creation and not an animal, being created in the image of God himself.

I must admit I get very frustrated when I see people following these theories, as they are really just disrespecting and greatly admonishing the loving gifts of knowledge that God has freely given to man.


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Hehe, that thread title made me think of Descartes laughing out loud


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Hehe, that thread title made me think of Descartes laughing out loud


Really?

It reminded me of Galileo.


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Re: Maybe God wants us to think Harder.

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I'm on a roll today with Philosophy and Religion. You should see my Omniverse thread.

I'm not discrediting the great discoveries made by humanity. But have you consider that maybe God allows this to happen so that we can think more and expand our minds?

Maybe we're not suppose to worship him. Maybe we should be philosophy him.

What we have discover up to now is incredible vast. But who is to say what we won't discover in the future?

God wants us to learn rather than worship?


I think you are on the right track, however, I don't believe God wants.


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i like the idea that we were put here to accomplish things. its a positive and proactive outlook on the meaning of the human condition. far better than the idea that our purpose of existance is nothing more than to beg and grovel before god, live by a specific set of morals and...well thats that.

I'm not sure who teaches the last part...

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I'm on a roll today with Philosophy and Religion. You should see my Omniverse thread.
Ohhhhh quite bragging...... stick out tongue

I do believe that IS why we're all here matter of fact...And this would explain our constant need for new knowledge not being satisfied with what we already have. Maybe we are too the point where, if this is true, then possibly our seeking would be met with abundant knowing...A gift given, like from god........this way people can make fun of us...... sad

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I'm not discrediting the great discoveries made by humanity. But have you consider that maybe God allows this to happen so that we can think more and expand our minds?

This suggests that all the time, effort, blood, sweat, and tears people expend in improving themselves and in improving the lives of those around them are ultimately wasted because the outcome will be determined by God, regardless of what we do.


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This suggests that all the time, effort, blood, sweat, and tears people expend in improving themselves and in improving the lives of those around them are ultimately wasted because the outcome will be determined by God, regardless of what we do.


But in a way that's the general rule of learning. Isn't the goal of an educator to teach the student to know? All the effort and other stuff comes within the individual. The educator provides the information to be learn. It's up to the student to learn it. Once the student achieves that goal he becomes an educator...thus the new educator goes on to teach other students.

I don't see how you can call it a waste when it fact it's process in reaching knowledge and passing it to others. It would be a waste if the student decides NOT to take the lessons provided by the educator.


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You can always learn stuff on your own. But guidance is always a secure form of education.


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That may be why people find themselves repeating the same lessons over and over again until they learn it.........hmm

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You can always learn stuff on your own. But guidance is always a secure form of education.


When you say "guidance", what are you talking about?


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But in a way that's the general rule of learning. Isn't the goal of an educator to teach the student to know? All the effort and other stuff comes within the individual. The educator provides the information to be learn. It's up to the student to learn it. Once the student achieves that goal he becomes an educator...thus the new educator goes on to teach other students.

I don't see how you can call it a waste when it fact it's process in reaching knowledge and passing it to others. It would be a waste if the student decides NOT to take the lessons provided by the educator.

You talked about how you don' t want to damage the great discoveries, but how God might allow it to happen. Unless God allows me to, I won' t reach my goals, regardless of all my efforts.

In order for such an educator to teach its students, must it not be omniscient?


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